Talk:Gerry Studds
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[edit] "Ephebophilic"
Someone used the term ephebophilic, perhaps they should bother to read up on what the term means; because a 17 year old boy is not prepubesent.
- Sentence change in the lead paragraph. The previous one incorrectly ascribed ephebophilia to the former congressmen. There is no evidence that he is (from the linked wikipedia article on ephebophilia) "primarily or exclusively sexually attracted to postpubescent adolescents" to the contrary, he has been with the same partner (now married) for 15 years . Also, it just didn't flow as well. R. Baley 16:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- It was also libelous. Thanks for pulling that vandalism out. FCYTravis 21:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dan Crane
Why is Dan Crane mentioned on Gerry Studds page? Gerry Studds isn't mentioned on Dan Crane's page. Is it because a Democrat cannot be fingered for bad behavior without mentioning a Republican? What's with the liberal bias? Can't just facts about Gerry Studds be on the Gerry Studds page?
- Studds is mentioned on the Crane page. As the two were "outed" almost simultaneously, and the two are often mentioned in juxtaposition, it is appropriate to mention them together. Take your whining about "liberal bias" to NewsMax. It'll play better over there. And sign your whinings, please. 70.144.120.161 02:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)Black Max
- They're mentioned on the same page because the disclipinary measures against them were taken in tandem. Ruthfulbarbarity 23:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- Exactly; and if Studds is not mentioned on the Crane page, he should be - so add it. And don't read in to things more than evidence would indicate - like there being some liberal/conservative bias.
[edit] Husband/partner
Why does the article twice address his husband as his "partner"? From what I can tell, same-sex marriage in Massachussetts carries the same status as straight marriage.
[edit] Article lock
Why is this article locked from edits?
- The article was locked due to persistent libelous vandalism in clear violation of our policy on the biographies of living persons. I believe the immediate threat is now over - however, I warn editors that any potentially libelous edits will result in reversion and blocking without further warning pursuant to WP:BLP. This is not a joking matter or something to trifle with. We are an encyclopedia. FCYTravis 23:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Age of consent
Is there any evidence he violated age of consent laws? Any at all? It seems unlikely (age 17, year 1973). Unless there is, I think that part should be removed. 70.183.123.253 04:18, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
- The age-of-consent in Massachusetts is 16 years of age, IIRC, although I don't know if that applies to homosexual intercourse. Ruthfulbarbarity 17:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Is the age of consent different in Illinois? Because "in Studds' case, a 1973 sexual relationship with a 17-year-old male congressional page who was of the age of legal consent" seems to indicate Crane's was a different matter. Was it?--T. Anthony 22:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Page/age
Was the name of the page ever made public and what State was he from? Was he from Massachusetts and/or from Studds district? IIRC, the "AOC" in both DC and Mass. at the time was 16, but if the page was from Florida, the age is 18. This would go to the confusion surrounding statutory laws from state to state.
- I realize that.
- What I'm saying is that age-of-consent laws-in many instances-didn't apply to homosexual intercourse, which was not decriminalized in many states until Lawrence v. Texas, or by inferior courts years prior to that decision.
- I'm not sure if that applied to Massachusetts-or the District of Columbia-at the time when the conduct of Studds occurred.
- I would assume that the name of the page is a matter of public record-since he and Studds held a press conference related to this issue, IIRC-but I couldn't locate it on the Internet. Ruthfulbarbarity 20:07, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
- I went to some lengths to check out the story of the press conference and it didn't happen. I just edited the article saying this. What appears to be true is that Studds stayed friends with the page long after the incident and after the inquiry (which was around 10 years after the incident). 67.117.130.181 16:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Death
Studds has just died, but I cannot find an article source for this, other than the CNN.com homepage right now. I won't put it into the article until a source can be found. JP06035 as 4.157.83.111 13:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
- This is the AP report,
- I just added it under "external links." Ruthfulbarbarity 17:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
- Here is a CNN report,
- They're both copy from the Associated Press, i.e. it's the same report.
- I'm not sure if the first link in references contains the full story, so I'm not certain if both links should remain or if including them both would be redundant. Ruthfulbarbarity 01:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
So now that he's passed on, do we remove the box at the top regarding "living persons"? 4.232.186.40 05:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
- It's already been removed. Ruthfulbarbarity 14:55, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
