Talk:German occupation of Czechoslovakia

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I'm seeking confirmation that the Czechs in 1938 were a major mftcr of arms... anyone point to a source?

Found it http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/panzerfaust5.htm

(both of the previous unsigned remarks appear to be by User:DennisDaniels

You also might want to look at our own article on Škoda. -- Jmabel 08:20, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, Czechs in interwar period was major mftcr of arms - in years 1935-38 was flating from 3place to first and again to 3 and later to 5 place in value of exported arms in world market. And not only Skoda was major manufacturer - Praga (division of CKD), Zbrojovka Brno, Tatra, Avia, Letov etc. was important manufaturers in Czechoslovakia and in europe- scale important too.

Contents 1 Relevant or not? 2 Operation Anthropoid 3 Holocaust? 4 allies? 5 Page name 6 POV 7 References To The Sudetenland 8 Photo: Tears of joy, tears of sadness

[edit] Relevant or not?

The following was recently cut: "(The Soviet troops, however, came back in 1968 (see Prague Spring) and were withdrawn only in the early 1990s)." The editor who cut this remarked, "End of the War - Deleted reference to the later Soviet occupation; events twenty years after the war aren't relevant to this article." That seems wrong-headed to me. It seems relevant because, given the ease with which the Soviet Union re-occupied Czechoslovakia, and given that the re-occupation lasted decades, in some ways the withdrawal can be seen more as an interruption in military occupation than the genuine end of it. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:25, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Operation Anthropoid

I´ve entered internal links to the Operation Antropoid. It was probably the most important event during the occupation and there was no mention about it. User:Szalas

• Certainly welcome; however, your sentence "It was so due to the success of the Operation Anthropoid too," makes almost no sense in the context where you placed it, what was "so"? -- Jmabel | Talk 01:25, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
  • The Operation Anthropoid was something like proof - that Czechs are allies and that they are fighting against Hitler. The success of the operation was very well accepted between the allies. The situation about the status of Czechoslovakia, Benes and so... was very complicated that time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Szalas (talk • contribs) 5 Nov 2005.
    • I'll edit to make the meaning clearer. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:09, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Holocaust?

Is there a reason the holocaust was not mentioned here? The transfer of Czech Jews & Roma to Auschwitz? Was this omitted for a specific reason or just forgotten? -- TheMightyQuill 14:18, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Certainly should be mentioned here, and there should also be an article History of the Jews in Czechoslovakia (with redirects from History of the Jews in the Czech Republic and [[History of the Jews in Slovakia). - Jmabel | Talk 17:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] allies?

Allies of World War II says that Czechoslovakia declared war on December 16, 1941 which is backed up by [1] and [2] "on all countries that are in a state of war with Great Britain, theUnited States, or the USSR". Huh? That means they declared war on Germany? How is this possible since they were right in the middle of German occupied Europe? --Astrokey44 16:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

It is probably referring to the Czechoslovak government-in-exile. radek 21:25, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Which, in fact, would have been the only "government of Czechoslovakia" at the time: The rest was broken up into things like The Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Slovakia, and the (annexed) Sudetenland. - Jmabel | Talk 00:16, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page name

Unlike all other German occupations during World War II (excluding the Anschluss with Austria), this one started before the war, so having a page name of German occupation of Czechoslovakia in World War II was misleading. --Philip Baird Shearer 02:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

there´s a question when started the war. For the West it was after invasion of Poland. For Czechs it was after Nazis invaded their country. It was the first Nazi invasion of some country and it was in 1939. It was the begining of WWII.

I think the current name is fine. If there's a better way to say it, I'm all ears, but something is necessary to differentiate this from the 1968 occupation. -- TheMightyQuill 10:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

How about Nazi occupation of Czechoslovakia? +Hexagon1 ^(t) 09:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Not entirely appropriate: Czechoslovakia was occupied by a country's army, not by a party. Seems to me that the current title is better than that. - Jmabel | Talk 01:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

But the popular title of that country is "Nazi Germany". +Hexagon1 ^(t) 11:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, and there would be nothing wrong with Nazi German occupation of Czechoslovakia, but since there was only one German occupation of Czechoslovakia, I don't see a need for that. - Jmabel | Talk 22:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Well I do, the word Germany will stir up connotations of today's Germany, a nation that bears little resemblance to the "Großdeutsches Reich" of the 30s and 40s, whereas 'Nazi occupation' or 'Nazi Germany's occupation' clearly do. +Hexagon1 ^(t) 06:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

"Prague residents viewed German occupation of the city as a catastrophe." Doubtless many did. Doubtless others were happy about it. An odd statement for us to make without citation, in any case. - Jmabel | Talk 05:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I thought the caption could help understand the picture, but if you disagree with it, feel free to rephrase it. --Irpen 06:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References To The Sudetenland

Forget all the posts above about what should be mentioned or left out or rephrased. What worries me is that no one has noticed the one historical inaccuracy about the Sudetenland.

There are references to the Sudetenland here that say the land was to be "returned" to Germany. To my understanding the Sudetenland was never part of Germany and had always been a part of Bohemia? In history King charles of Bohemia invited "german speaking peoples" to farm the sudeten region, note, I say German speaking people because Germany didnt exist at that time. I think it is a wide misconception that people think the Sudeteland was taken from the Germans to form Czechoslovakia in 1919, it wasnt. It has always been part of Bohemia. - alcz

You responsibly raised the point in Talk and no one responded. Be Bold and make the edit. - TheMightyQuill 01:37, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

This all gets so tricky. The Sudetenland has, indeed, always been part of Bohemia, but that is neither here nor there on whether it was part of "Germany". Prior to 1848, "Germany" was a rather amorphous region, not even a would-be state. From the 1620 Habsburg ascendancy in Bohemia into the early 19th century, the Sudetenland in particular and, to some extent, Bohemia as a whole (certainly the towns) was steadily and increasingly Germanized under the Habsburgs; Certainly, in 1848, the German National Assembly in Frankfurt saw all of the former Bohemia as part of the Großdeutschland they were trying to create. While some view Czechoslovakia as a successor state to the kingdom of Bohemia, that seems to me no less of a stretch than seeing the Sudetenland as a historic part of "Germany".

I'm not advocating for the German nationalist view here, just pointing out that the Czech nationalist view also has its problems. - Jmabel | Talk 07:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the solid explanation Jmabel. I think the word "returned" was in question, and certainly doesn't fit well. As in other articles, I think using the word "transfered" helps avoid any national POV one way or the other. - TheMightyQuill 08:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photo: Tears of joy, tears of sadness

Whatever your interpretation of the image, it doesn't make sense to have two copies 1. Image:Anschlusstears.gif and 2. Image:Prague 1939 tragic greeting.jpg? Does anyone have a preference, the darker or the lighter? I think I prefer #1, the darker of the two. I'm going to direct the question on other talk pages here. - TheMightyQuill 03:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)