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Contents 1 White German Shepherd - Has its own article... 2 Thoughts on Appearance and Faults Section 3 Revert section on long haired GSD's. 4 working bread mix with beauty bread GSD 5 Alsatian

[edit] White German Shepherd - Has its own article...

The White GSD section on here is one of the more well maintained sections, but the White GSD has its own page now, with a significant amount of background and text. Whilst still relevant to the main GSD article, I feel that this section could be trimmed to a high-level overview of the white variant, linked to the dedicated white GSD page and the relevant extra portions merged in (if necessary) with the White GSD page. Thoughts? - Nickhumphrey 16:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Agree. This section should be removed and replaced with a single reference to the White GSD page.S1000 06:36, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Agree with Nickhumphrey and S1000. --Tom 18:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thoughts on Appearance and Faults Section

I think that the placement of a 'Faults' section under appearance without any further explanation creates a negative point of view (POV). The information is true for a show dog but not necessarily true for a working GSD. I would suggest that a better place for the 'faults' information would be in a separate section about GSD show dogs. I will leave this for a better copy editor because I think that there are people who would object to this change. --Tom 12:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Revert section on long haired GSD's.

Did this to restore to an earlier version without the advertising links. It seems to keep the same information but better conforms to WP policy--Tom 14:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

The revert is inappropriate in this case. The cites are evidence that long haired GSD's are bred and registered in other countries than the USA, because the present article is geographically limited, and presents only the standard on long haired GSD that pertains to some countries, without noting that this is not at all a universal standard. In other countries, standards do not fault long hairedness, and kennels are established that breed them. The naming of two kennels in a footnote is not advertizing. It's verification and citing of support for the statement that long haired GSDs are actively registered and bred elsewhere, a statment that should be cited and supported.

I've therefore reverted the deletion. If you can find a way to support the statement that long hairedness is actively bred, registered and shown professionally in some countries, without linking to specific kennels, I'd be fine with that. But at present the best verification I can think of for that fact is to list some examples of places doing it. Certainly deleting the fact in order to remove the verification information, is likely to be inappropriate. The edit in question reads:

• Before: "The so-called "long-haired German Shepherd" is considered a "fault" in the German Shepherd Dog breed according to American Kennel Club standards as well as the International (FCI) breed standard."

• After: "... but is not a fault under UK Kennel Club standards^[1] where long haired German Shepherds are also bred and registered.^[2]"

(For the record, might be worth noting, I have no specific COI-type interest in GSD's, I have often edited on articles related to dogs, dog breeds, canine veterinary conditions, and the like though.)

Hope this is agreeable. FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 19:34, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I kept the content on the long hair GSD but changed the reference to the LSVD of Germany. Used your advice to mention a country that actively breeds, registers and shows Long haired GSDs but without a link to a specific kennel. The Long-haired GSD association of Germany seems to have been in existence since 1984 and actively promotes the fuzzy type of GSD.--Tom 03:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] working bread mix with beauty bread GSD

hi guys, anyone can tell me the differences between pure working bread and mix with beauty bread. i just get a mix working and beauty bread GSD around 12 weeks old is solid black and tan on the leg. i am wondering do it weak for this bread? as i know the whole patch of the pups die only her alive. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 143.166.226.41 (talk) 02:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

Beauty or show bred dogs are bred for looks and hopefully health.Workers are bred for strength and are generally healthier.German shepherd sadly have many health problems because of their popularity,since they are bred on puppy farms sometimes.hopefully your GSD will become a strong and pretty dog,just as long as you have a good vet.One thing,wiki talk pages are supposed to discuss the page,and are not advice pages.--70.165.71.229 15:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alsatian

What evidence is there for the claim that the name Alsatian was chosen because the breed came from Alsace-Lorraine? I cannot find any evidence anywhere that it came from that region, but only that this name was chosen because it was associated with "German" without using the word "German". Oxford English Dictionary on "Alsatian" says:

• The name "Alsatian" was adopted in order to avoid the associations of "German". The dog does not belong to Alsace, nor is there a wolf strain in its composition.

Allansteel 11:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

==Locking New or Un-registered Users== I put the lock template on the article just because there has been a steady stream of nuisance edits in the past few days. --Tom 11:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)