Template talk:Geolinks-AUS-suburbscale

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Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Sydney/Suburbs#Suburb Mapping Template

See also: Template:Geolinks-US-streetscale (this is the US version, on which this is based)


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[edit] Testing (Bundeena, New South Wales)

Coordinates: -33.8915° 151.1382°

[edit] Testing 2 (Botany, New South Wales)

Coordinates: -33.8915° 151.1382°

[edit] End test

[edit] Broken display

This template is presently causing quite bizarre coordinates in th etitle area. An example is on the Template page as "Coordinates: -33.8915° N 151.1382° E". Australian coordinates should be written with a positive number of degrees south, not negative degrees north! I don't know how to fix it though. --Scott Davis Talk 09:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I will try to fix it. To select one of the Geographic_coordinate_conversion#Ways_of_writing_coordinates, it should probably just read "Coordinates: -33.8915, 151.1382", otherwise we'd need to improve the input in the template. -- User:Docu

Thankyou. I don't know if complex wiki language is good enough to remove the sign, then pass the rest to the coor d template with an S. Otherwise, we would need a bot to change the input string to lose the sign at input if we wanted to keep the S. Personally, I think two unadorned real numbers is a bit too cryptic. You can probably keep the degree sign "Coordinates: -33.8915° 151.1382°" which helps a bit. I don't recall looking before, but had presumed the point of the AUS template was to get the hemispheres right. --Scott Davis Talk 22:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

All the mapping & directory web sites use the -33.8915, 151.1382 notation (i.e. negative degrees north), so the minus sign in the template usage is probably good to keep (unless someone wants to write a bot to convert all usage, and then do stuff in the template to convert it back to the format that it was originally in, which I can't honestly see the point of). However for the Coordinates thing at the top of the page, any reasonable format is fine IMHO (e.g. "Coordinates: -33.8915° 151.1382°" is fine), or it could be removed (I personally don't have any preference either way). -- All the best, Nickj (t) 03:31, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
OK, I've made this change now, please feel free to revert if it stuffs things up or you think it should be done differently. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 03:41, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou. I wasn't game to try to change it, so alerted the two who looked like they understood when I noticed the problem. SInce you both agree, it must be right :-) You have certainly solved the wrongness problem. I'm not sure if it creates a readability problem or not. --Scott Davis Talk 05:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing it. The new format works! -- User:Docu

[edit] Google street maps

Can someone in the know please update this so it includes Google's excellent new street mapping for Australia? Thanks, ҉ Randwicked ҉ 12:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Just noticed that Google had added it, came here to do that, and saw your message - Good to see someone is on the ball, even if I'm not ;-) Google as street directory should be there now - I've listed it first because it seems the nicest. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 06:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 21 June tidy up

I've done a bit of a consolodation of the sources - before this Google Maps appears twice and Wikimapia had its own section. --Scotthatton 14:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Good to consolidate Wikimapia in with the rest; The only reason for listing Google Maps twice was once for the sat images, and once as a street directory (can toggle between these, but if you know you want the directory or the map, could potentially be quicker to go right to it). -- All the best, Nickj (t) 08:01, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I've removed GlobalGuide as a street directory, as it doesn't seem to add much value (seems to be wrapper around the google maps street directory + lots of advertising). -- All the best, Nickj (t) 08:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Usage" back to front?

Is it just me or are longitude and latitude back to front in the instructions on this template page? Plus whenever I use this template I have to reverse the coords, which makes me suspect this template is actually back to front... anyone else? pfctdayelise (translate?) 15:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The order of named parameters to templates does not matter. The example was probably made by a mathematician (x before y) not a geographer (latitude before longitude). The beauty of templates is that whichever way you think, the output is "right". --Scott Davis Talk 23:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] guidance, please

Hi. Nice work here, but a bit of guidance for geo-template newbies would help limit breakage. As far as I can tell this template seems to incorporate the coor template, so a bit of guidance, or discussion would help. Given this, I assume that when adding this to a page, existing coor templates should just be deleted? For instance, I tried just adding {{Mapit-AUS-suburbscale|long=151.342564|lat=-33.424730}} to Gosford, New South Wales but it created a clash of the absolutely-positioned coordinates at the top right. Also (AFAICT) it forces us to go from human-readable DMS with N/S/E/W as accepted by a variante of the coor template (e.g. for Gosford currently has {{coor title dms|33|25|36|S|151|20|30|E|type:city(301551)_region:AU-NSW}}) to computer-readable decimal degrees.

OK so my request is for someone (who knows what they are doing) to make some explicit for replacing existing coor templates in the Usage section. Are there two camps of geo-templaters who get upset at each other substituting one for the other? In the end I decided to leave Gosford alone for now.

Also (AFAICT) the use of this template seems to give the lovely wikipedia jigsaw-globe icons and pagelets within the "Community" layer of the google maps application. This is remarkably cool, but it is probably worth pointing out! At least via a link to the relevant project page -- for instance, I presume this is implemented via a bot/spider?

Thanks, Andrew Kepert 08:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

PS just discovered that the google earth links seem to be via the coor template, as this is all that appears within Green Point, New South Wales which has a marker in google earth. It should probably be more accurate, as it places the marker in the middle of Brisbane water, but this is another issue. I'll have to poke around some more. Andrew Kepert 08:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
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