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Contents 1 Languages used 2 Explanatory tablet text 3 Masonic connections? 4 Citations 5 other guidestones? 6 Who has been there to the Georgia Guidestones? 7 Controversy 8 History

[edit] Languages used

The languages on the Guidestones are supposed to be in English, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic, Hindi, Chinese, Spanish and Swahili, and "additionally" in Sanskrit, Babylonian cuneiform, Egyptian hieroglyphics and classical Greek. Yet there are only four outer stones with the eight modern languages on them. Does anyone know where on the monument the four ancient languages are?

answer: the capstone faces..

--Each of the "modern" languages (English, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic, Hindi, Chinese, Spanish, Swahili) occupies one face of one of the four outer upright stones, and presents the "ten commandments" listed in he main article. The four "ancient" languages (Sanskrit, Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek) are inscribed one on each vertical side of the capstone, and contain only one line of text, purportedly, "Let these be guidestones to an age of reason." This text does not appear in English on the monument, but the translation, along with the identification of the languages, is on a separate stone marker placed nearby after the monument was erected. There is also a smaller upright stone in the center, which does not contain any text, but instead includes holes drilled for astronomical alignement. I am doing some research on the Guidestones, and hope to be including some additional information (and photos) in the article soon. --Craigkbryant 13:28, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Explanatory tablet text

I have just added the full text of the explanatory tablet that is located to the west of the monument. Since so much information about the stones seems to be derived from this tablet, I thought it appropriate to present the full text in all its glory. I can see that it needs some work to pretty it up and improve the formatting; I will take a stab at this in coming days.

If anyone else wants to work on this text, my only request is to maintain the original typography, punctuation, spellings, line breaks, etc. I think it is important to represent the inscription just as it is in reality. --Craigkbryant 16:53, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Masonic connections?

I am looking for supporting evidence or sources to go with the sentence, "Many believe it is connected in more than one way to the Freemason fraternity," in the introductory paragraph of this article. At present, I have nothing but this assertion to connect the Guidestones to Freemasonry. In particular, there are no words or symbols on the monument or the nearby tablet that I think of as characteristically masonic, nor is R.C. Christian described as a mason in any of the material I have assembled to date. I am therefore planning to remove that sentence from the opening paragraph, and possibly from the entire article. Can anyone step forward to provide sources?--Craigkbryant 14:45, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

According to the Grand Lodge of Georgia, there is a Masonic Lodge in Elberton, 8 miles away, and another one in the town of Bowman, which is also at some distance. But you might just as easily say that the Guidestones are "not far from" a gas station or a Baptist church. I am therefore removing the phrase about the stones being "not far from" a Masonic lodge. The question still stands about Masonic connections, as discussed above.--Craigkbryant 21:24, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

The last reference to the Freemasons in the article has been removed for lack of references/evidence.--Craigkbryant 15:30, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

The date 3/22 for Skull & Bones New Guy 00:49 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

I was going to add some citation requests throughout the article, but realized that it's almost entirely without cites. The sections referencing R.C. Christian and his intent in particular need help.Wyatt Riot 08:04, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] other guidestones?

Are there other modernly erected guidestones in other places around the nation or world? --voodoom 03:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Who has been there to the Georgia Guidestones?

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I have been to the guidestones. Honestly you aren't missing much. - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Natjo1986 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Controversy

The controversy section now has an external link to a Canadian web site featuring an article on John Conner of "The Resistance". A Google search on this name brings us to this site [1] which looks like original research to me. While it may be true that John Conner has asked for the Guidestones to be removed, this external reference to Canada Free Press is not an authoritative reference. Both "The Resistance" and the Canada Free Press article just spout the same stuff that was correctly removed from this page.

I think we should remove the entire controversy section as it violates WP:OR. There is no controversy except in the minds of a very few people. If we accept this section then we should rightly add a controversy section to the page on the planet Earth, citing controversy that it is really flat. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.231.244.60 (talk • contribs) 21:53, January 21, 2007 (UTC)

For reference, this is the section that was removed:

==Controversy==

A California man named John Conner has called for the Guidestones to be removed from public property saying they are an occult monument.[2] He believes the name "R.C. Christian" is actually a reference to Christian Rosenkreuz, the supposed founder of the Rosicrucians, a secret society dating back to the 15th century.

Personally, I found the information interesting, and the Free Press article looks reasonable: [3], especially considering how few references there are on anything else in the article. In other words, in comparison to the rest of the article's references, the Free Press article looks like the closest thing we have to a "reliable source", so I recommend keeping it. --Elonka 02:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

FWIW, there is a long history between Wikipedia and John Conner, who has repeatedly tried to use this project to promote his "Resistance Manifesto". While we have removed his other "contributions" we have previously kept this one reference because it is non-promotional, relevant, and sourced. -Will Beback · † · 04:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History

The history section is inconsistent with the section describing the monument itself. History claims R.C. Christian commissioned the monument, yet the section on the tablets relate that they are inscribed that RC Christian is the author. The monument is inscribed that "a small group of Americans" commissioned the monument. History should either get a solid citation for RCC being the person who paid for the monuments, or it should be changed to reflect what the monument itself claims. Or the history section could be cut down to just the verifiable facts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.231.244.60 (talk • contribs) 22:11, January 21, 2007 (UTC)