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Contents 1 Rewriting the additional data 2 Proof 3 Environment Problems 4 Stop trashing here 5 Sea Boundaries 6 Ratification of International Convention

[edit] Rewriting the additional data

Can Mr Merbabu rewrite the additional data into the page? It's better than deleting the new data. Mt Anak Krakatoa appeared on 1930, NOT 1970. The volcano is NOT SILENT for 100 years. The corruption and environment problems are FACTS, not a fiction or "point of view". The chief of Indonesian police was angry at local police chiefs (Kapolda) because the illegal loggers are released/ignored by local police. Several government officials/members of parliaments are involved in illegal logging operation. The replanting fund (dana reboisasi) was used for other purposes such as Aircraft factory. The management of the replanting fund is poor (many corruption). Many logging companies/HPH did not pay the replanting fund and most government officials did not do anything about it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.210.145.10 (talk • contribs).

Can you add this correction about Mt. Tambora: More than 90000 people were killed after Mt. Tambora eruption in 1815. Less than 10000 people were killed by the eruption itself, and the rest were killed by starvation or respiratory diseases. The regions near the mountain were covered by several feet of ashes and dust, make it impossible to plant any crop in the area for several years. The survivors of the eruption in the surrounding areas starved to death because of crop failures. People who inhaled the fine volcanic dust may get respiratory diseases. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.210.145.9 (talk • contribs).

My response:

1. Please sign if you post a comment with 4 tildes: ~~~~
2. If you really want to contribute and to communicate with other contributors, then make an account so we can easily communicate.
3. About your request. When you want to contribute a fact, supply with reliable source. Otherwise it is only a rumour or your opinion, which we cannot accomodate your edits in any article.

— Indon (reply) — 14:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Indon, My thoughts exactly. Also, I suggest you familiarise yourself a little more (a lot more?) with Wikipedia policies and guidelines before you edit this page again. See here [1]

As for your request for me to add in your edits instead, well that is not completely unreasonable – some of your additions were quite good (but others were inappropriate). I am short of time however and it is unlikely I can do it soon. I suggest instead that you learn what makes a good editor, and do them yourself!!! Happy editing. --Merbabu 00:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

"Do them yourself". IMO it is better for Mr Merbabu to add the facts because he will delete my entries because of grammar, spelling problems etc.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.210.145.9 (talk • contribs).

I have no problems with your grammar or spelling. Indon and I have already explained what our problems were and it didn't include grammar or spelling. You need to learn what goes in an encyclopedia and how to write it - but this is not hard. Check out the link i gave you above. Also, if you want people to take you seriously, place create an account (you get your own username - free!) and please sign any comments. --Merbabu 08:03, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proof

• FAO report about Indonesian Ministry of Forestry: http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/AC798E/ac798e0d.htm. . Section 5.2: Ministry of Forestry (non) involvement.

• Statement from Mr. Bagir Manan, chief of Indonesian Supreme Court: "It is unnecessary to find any suspect on Lapindo's mud volcano case". On the etchis guide for judges: "The defendant can give a box of biscuit, a basket of fruit or a piece of Batik to the judges". Source: Koran Tempo: http://www.korantempo.com/korantempo/2006/08/04/headline/krn,20060804,19.id.html. Source: Detik.com: http://jkt1.detiknews.com/index.php/detik.read/tahun/2006/bulan/06/tgl/23/time/165629/idnews/622447/idkanal/10.

• IPTN and replanting fund. The loan is never paid because the project is cancelled. http://forests.org/archive/indomalay/indofire.htm. Forestry Minister Djamaloedin Soeryohadikoesoemo confirmed that IPTN, the state-owned aircraft manufacturer will receive RP400 billion (US$180 million) in an interest-free loan for N-250 project.

• Source: Republika (Indonesian Newspaper): http://republika.co.id/koran_detail.asp?id=265357&kat_id=59. Propam (Internal Affairs) telah memastikan akan adanya pemeriksaan atas bekas Kapolda Kaltim Irjen DPM Sitompul terkait kaburnya GS (Mayjen Gusti Syarifudin) saat akan dilakukan penahanan.

• Source: Illegal-logging.com: http://www.illegal-logging.info/news.php?newsId=560. District court handing out a lenient sentence to a Vietnamese skipper caught red-handed smuggling logs from Papua.

• Source: Pontianak Post. http://www.pontianakpost.com/berita/index.asp?Berita=Lapsus&id=65008. Sekretaris Masyarakat Perhutanan Indonesia Kalbar, G. Hardiansyah, menuturkan Perpu 1/2004 yang merupakan perubahan atas UU 41/1999 Tentang Kehutanan harus mengatur hukuman bagi pelaku illegal logging. Dia menilai hukuman tersebut terlalu ringan dan tidak akan memberikan efek jera bagi oknum aparat untuk bermain.

• Source from http://fwi.or.id/Illegal%20_logging/FWI_illog.htm. From Awionline: http://www.awionline.org/pubs/quarterly/winter2001/orangutans.htm. At lunch the Indonesian President listened intently, expressed genuine concern and showed he knew about Tanjung Puting by naming Abdul Rasyid as the timber baron responsible for looting the Park.

• Many logging companies did not pay the replanting fund (Dana reboisasi). Source: Kompas Newspaper: http://www.kompas.com/kompas-cetak/0403/19/humaniora/921672.htm. 16 perusahaan HPH (Hak Pengusahaan Hutan) baik hutan alam maupun hutan tanaman industri di berbagai daerah, punya tunggakan Dana Reboisasi dan PSDH (Provisi Sumber Daya Hutan) sebesar Rp 262,04 miliar.

[edit] Environment Problems

The present environment problems:

• Rapid deforestation: From SuaraMerdeka newspaper. http://www.suaramerdeka.com/harian/0509/03/nas14.htm. Menteri Kehutanan MS Kaban mengemukakan, 2,8 juta hektar hutan rusak setiap tahun. Dari 120 juta hektare hutan, 59 juta hektare di antaranya rusak berat.

• Landslides. The protected forest on steep mountain slopes are cut down by illegal loggers and people who use the land for agriculture/plantation. From BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4576594.stm. From NTDTV: http://www.ntdtv.com/xtr/en/2006/02/22/a_40451.html. From Reuters/Planetark.com: http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/36926/newsDate/21-Jun-2006/story.htm.

• Mud Volcano in Sidoardjo, East Java (PT Lapindo case) since May 2006 (current headlines in Indonesian newspaper and TV stations).

• Water/Sea Pollution from mining companies. Newmont case in Buyat, North Sulawesi. Source: Tempo http://www.tempointeractive.com/hg/nasional/2004/08/09/brk,20040809-01,uk.html. Pollution from gold mining operation in Kalimantan: from Kompas newspaper: http://www.kompas.com/kompas-cetak/0307/15/daerah/430390.htm.

• Import of waste product/used product containing dangerous/radioactive substances from other countries. One of the owner and founder of PT APEL is Mr. Setya Novanto, a member of Indonesian Parliament. Source: Liputan6.com/SCTV: http://www.liputan6.com/view/8,96346,1,0,1136098406.html. From Media Indonesia newspaper. http://www.mediaindo.co.id/berita.asp?id=100074.

• Poor management of garbage in major cities. Lack of separation/recycling of garbage. Landslide at Leuwigajah dumpsite in Bandung and Bantargebang near Jakarta. Source: Jakarta Post. http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly.asp?fileid=20050222.@01. Source: Jakarta Post. http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly.asp?fileid=20060909.@01.

• Air pollution in major cities. Source: Jakarta Post. http://www.thejakartapost.com/review/city08.asp .

• Hidden underground fire in Kalimantan and East Sumatra. More than 100 underground fire (continue to burn since 1997) are one of the main cause of annual forest fire in Kalimantan and East Sumatra. Source Kompas newspaper. http://kompas.com/kompas-cetak/0307/21/ilpeng/440416.htm.

• Annual flood on coastal cities in North Java (Semarang, North Jakarta). Because the ground water was massively pumped out from the ground, the cities slowly sank below the surface of the sea. The flood in Semarang (called rob) may last for several months. Source: MetroTV. http://www.metrotvnews.com/news_mag_detail1.asp?id=627&idpr=162.

• Illegal trading in protected animal and plant species. Two officials from Indonesian environment protection agency (BKSDA) was found guilty for selling confiscated turtles (protected species) to a collector. They conduct the raid on pet shops based on the tips from the collector and then sell the turtle to the colllector. Source: Hukumonline. http://hukumonline.com/detail.asp?id=15433&cl=Berita. Indonesian Military Police (POM) foiled attempt to smuggle the protected Nuri birds and black orchid plant from Irian Jaya by military personnels using Indonesian warships. Source: Liputan6.com/SCTV.: http://www.liputan6.com/view/0,113338,1,0,1137865245.html.

• Poaching and killing of protected species. Source: Jakarta Post. http://www.thejakartapost.com/detaillatestnews.asp?fileid=20060301160901&irec=1. Six rare, wild elephants were found poisoned to death in an Sumatran jungle Wednesday, their mouths black and covered with potassium cyanide. The only male in the group had its tusks removed, he said.

• Destruction of coral reef using bombs and poison. Source: Kompas newspaper. http://www.kompas.co.id/ver1/Nasional/0609/11/191850.htm. Komandan TNI AL Sibolga Lt Kol Jaka Sentosa menuturkan, sebanyak 60% terumbu karang di perairan Sibolga, Tapanuli dan Nias rusak. Satu botol peledak bisa merusak terumbu karang hingga radius 25 m persegi. Padahal karang memerlukan waktu hingga 10 tahun untuk bisa tumbuh hanya satu cm,” ujar Jaka.

[edit] Stop trashing here

Please, mr. Anonymous. It's useless if you copy pasted text from websites in this talk page. You're just dumping garbage in here. I would consider your concern, if you have an account, because you're then serious about this. Otherwise it's just a nonsense. — Indon (reply) — 08:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

This is not a trash. I have given THE PROOF/RELIABLE SOURCES FOR MY STATEMENTS. Can Mr Merbabu or Mr Indon put the statements BACK on the website using their own words? Thank you.

Get an account. Sign your name. It's simple. You clearly have enthusiasm which is a good start, but until you do have an account and maybe stop being so defensive, people will not take you seriously.--Merbabu 14:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sea Boundaries

Because Indonesia is an archipelago, what about additional statements about sea boundaries with Palau, East Timor, Philippines, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia, and India? http://www.dephan.go.id/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6602. Pulau Rondo (NAD) berbatasan dengan India, Pulau Berhala (Sumut) berbatasan dengan Malaysia, Pulau Sebatik (Kaltim) berbatasan dengan Malaysia, Pulau Nipa (Riau) berbatasan dengan Singapura, Pulau Sekatung (Riau) berbatasan dengan Vietnam. Pulau Miangas dan Pulau Marore (Sulut) berbatasan dengan Filipina, Pulau Fani, Pulau Fanildo, Pulau Bras (Papua) berbatasan dengan Palau, Pulau Asutubun dan Pulau Wetar (Maluku Tenggara) berbatasan dengan Timor Timur dan Pulau Batek (NTT) berbatasan dengan Timor Timur. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.210.145.10 (talk • contribs).

PLease create an account. It's nice to have enthusiastic new editors, but it'd be nice to see a "face". And please sign your posts. Then we can talk. thanks Merbabu 06:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ratification of International Convention

Indonesia had ratified the last 2 conventions mentioned on the website: Protokol Kyoto (UU 17/2004), Protection of Marine Life on high seas (1958) UU 19/1961. Source: http://www.pelangi.or.id/press.php?persid=76. and: http://www.theceli.com/dokumen/produk/1961/19-1961.htm. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.210.145.7 (talk • contribs).