Talk:Gazimestan speech

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[edit] Jared Israel about Gil- White

While claiming that he is continuing the work of TENC, he routinely violates scholarly ethics. He now not only misrepresents his data, but outright falsifies it. For example, in one text he took 9 words out of context from a thousand word 1938 article by Rabbi Stephen Wise, an article calling on Britain to provide sanctuary for the German Jews, and used this fragment as evidence that - in Gil-White's words - Rabbi Wise "got his wish" when the Holocaust took place. I traced Gil-White's falsified quotation to the actual article by Wise; I have posted my detective work here and Rabbi Wise's actual article here. I have checked other Gil-White documentation, and found that he frequently falsifies evidence, for example: misrepresenting the dates of quoted material; using ellipses in order to alter or reverse the thrust of quoted material; withholding vital information provided by his sources - and withholding important information about his sources - which information would contradict or undermine his arguments; and more. Wikipedia

We CAN NOT use Gil White as a source --I DREJTI 16:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Gil White has been published on TENC, and thus his work is not self-published. Jared Israel's comments are result of personal animosity between the two, not to mention that it is original research. Can you find any specific errors in the reference used here? Nikola 20:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Gil White owns the website being used as reference. Gil White does not speak Serbian and has not the ability to say anything about a speech made in Serbian. Gil- White has also been fired by the university he worked for. All these facts taken to consideration make it impossible to believe him. Therefore we have to POV check this article. I ask you to read the rules once again especially about self published sources.--I DREJTI 17:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

The work has been published on TENC, and subsequently removed because of personal issues. I will link TENC version now. Gil-White may not speak Serbian, but he has reviewed authoritative English translation of the speech - two independent translations, actually. Do you speak Serbian, so that you can know that his analysis of the speech is incorrect? Nikola 06:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)