Talk:Gay bar

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Contents 1 Die Busche 2 The Dover Castle merged here 3 Needs published source 4 Rewrite 5 Notable gay nightclubs

[edit] Die Busche

I've deleted the url of the club "Die Busche" because it's a wrong link.

[edit] The Dover Castle merged here

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Dover Castle. Johnleemk | Talk 14:04, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Needs published source

Moved this to talk:

""The Gay Bar" is a local grassroots movement at UC Berkeley that advocates "spending all [their] money at the gay bar" and "taking [you] to a gay bar" as well as "sodomy."

Jokestress 19:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Isn't that just another name for an LGB society ? horseboy 17:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite

I've added slightly to the introduction and rewritten the "Characteristics" section (and renamed it). My aim was to broaden the definition of a gay bar and to point out that the variations pretty much mirror the variations of "straight" bars. I've also tried to soften the emphasis on music and beef up the information about sex on the premises venues. I've also tidied up various bits and pieces and hopefully made the article more comprehensive.

I still think that the list of "notable gay nighclubs" is next to useless. It's very North American centred. I would have thought that a Wikipedia link should be a minimum requirement for inclusion here.

I also think that the list of Gay DJs is superfluous and again suggests that gay bars are all about music. Again, I'd have thought that Wikipedia links should be a minimum requirement, although I don't really see the point of this list at all.

--Wastekiller 15:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable gay nightclubs

Some of the clubs listed seem notable. Others seem more like ads. My preference would be to make all of them internal, Wikipedia links, and thus let the normal rules of WP notability sort them out. Any objections or concerns? Obviously, this would involve my doing some research to dig up enough detail to make each external link into an article. -Harmil 02:16, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm in support. Exploding Boy 02:20, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

I agree. Mushroom (Talk) 17:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I would suggestion doing away with notablity all together and draw up a list of gay bars in general.

I don't think that's really an option, because Wikipedia shouldn't contain lists of non-notable things. Cadr 14:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

it has a long list of gay porn actors, I would hardly call most of them notable. It's an online encyclopedia not a notalopedia

I really don't think that an article about the Gay Bar (as concept) is the place for a list of commercial venues (whether they're bars or nightclubs or anything else). Such a list could never be comprehensive, and even if it was, I don't see what it achieves. WP is not intended as a resource for that kind of information - which is much more easily available at a local level anyway. If somebody really wants to draw up a list of historically notable gay bars, clubs and other commercial venues, then I think Harmil's approach should be adopted, and that it should be a seperate article - something like "Notable Gay Commercial Venues" with could then be linked to from all sorts of GBLT articles. Wastekiller 12:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

This list really need to be trimmed or removed. Please read WP:NOT, which is the relevant policy. Particularly, WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory. If a list of "notable" gay bars is to be retained, it should not contain external links and should link only the bars that have some ongoing historical relevance to the topic in general. The current list is far from that. I would support removing the list and adding inline prose references to notables establishments in the "History" section. As it stands, the section is a magnet for inappropriate commercial links (per WP:EL). Likewise, the list of Gay DJs probably doesn't belong in this article, or at least should only contain those DJs with articles where their notability can be explained. Mike Dillon 22:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

As WP:NOT a directory of gay clubs, I've removed those that don't have their own Wikipedia article. I suggest that for future additions to the list, the club should either have its own article on Wikipedia (and so be a Wikilink) or a reference be provided as to its notability i.e. a newspaper article remarking on its importance (not the club's own publicity).

Actually, some of those articles on clubs are a bit dubious- references asserting notability are probably needed to show their notability if we aren't to see them in AfD. - WJBscribe ^{(WJB talk)} 13:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, done the same with Gay DJs, again I think they should be links to arrticles, or have a ref supporting inclusion. - WJBscribe ^{(WJB talk)} 13:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

maybe there should be page showing notable gay bars by country, such as first gay bar etc. its a little less biased - having just a few here seems to suggest these are pre-eminent maybe? like, some gay bars are famous in their own countries, but maybe not as much outside of their own countries. for example ireland's oldest gay bar/club, the george, is a household name in ireland (for good and bad reasons) because it has been open for so long, and in a country with a huge catholic majority (homosexuality only decriminalised in 1993!). having said that it probably isn't well know outside of ireland (i dunno, is it?). anyway just my two cents. 89.100.207.169 15:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)bmackers

Being a household name in Ireland is sufficient notability. In fact, the article for The George, Dublin exists, so I've added it to the list. Mike Dillon 15:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)