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[edit] Cunt

Why is it sometimes called "pisscutter"?

Question moved from article -- Ferkelparade π 07:50, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[Although "garrison" makes sense with the cap's military background, is it possible that the name is actually a corruption of "Glengarry"?] - User:210.158.194.1

Why is it sometimes called "pisscutter"?

Question moved from article -- Ferkelparade π 07:50, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[Although "garrison" makes sense with the cap's military background, is it possible that the name is actually a corruption of "Glengarry"?] - User:210.158.194.1

[edit] Forage cap?

Forage cap redirects here. I cannot find "forage cap" at either Merriam-Webster online or yourDictionary.com. If you Google "forage cap", it shows mostly US Civil War era kepis; thrown in for good measure are the soft German army field cap, the service cap, and the odd wedge. Anyone have a dress regulation they can quote verbatim or reference that tells one what a forage cap is officially? Or maybe a dictionary definition? In the CF, I only ever heard "forage cap" refer to the peaked service cap; some sergeants-major used it to refer to the women's service cap, especially the Navy one as opposed to the Army or Air Force ones ("bowlers"); or for the WWII era CWAC cap, which looked a lot like a transition between a kepi and a German field hat. Can anyone help? Tks.

Oh, and as to a source, Oxford confirms your usage, relating it to the Glengarry. SigPig 06:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I can't point to a source, but I know that it was called a forage cap in the British Army (though they don't wear it any more as far as I know). That version of it could be unfolded to give (somewhat ridiculous-looking) ear flaps; I don't know if this is common to all forage caps. PeteVerdon 16:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I think it would be good to mention the flap thing. The Canadian version I think can do that, but you have to snip the little stitches that attach the flaps to the crown. I also have a Bundeswehr one with little snap-fasteners instead of stitches. Also, 'twould be nice if someone could get their mitts on the CF Dress Indtructions (and its equivalent in other armed forces) so we could get the official terminology that each country uses.
If I can get my hands on my old wedge cap, I'll put it on a dummy head and photo it flap-up and flap-down. SigPig 19:00, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
If you google by skipping most of the US references (i.e. use a site like google.co.uk, not google.com ) then you can find lots of references....for a look at forage caps, try silvermans.co.uk
Forage cap should NOT redirect here - it refers to a peaked cap earlier called the Service Dress Cap in the Commonwealth.Michael DoroshTalk 13:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Much as I agree with you, I must disagree with you. "Forage cap" seems to be one of those ambiguous terms: just like "service cap" or "field cap", what it is exactly depends on current dress regulations. Seems in Commonwealth nations, "forage cap" refers to what's currently at combination cap. However, it also seems to refer to the kepi-like cap sported by the Americans during their civil war. Just google "forage cap" and see what you get. Seems to me at best that "forage cap" could be a disambiguation page. --SigPig 03:59, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Garrison cap ?

This article describes the US meaning of garrison cap to be what I would call a forage cap. The combination cap article describes that cap (a "peaked cap") also as being referred to as a garrison cap in US parlence.

Which is right ? Or is a garrison cap labelled as such when it can be worn in a garrison (i.e. working dress) and the term does not specifically refer to the design of cap.

Can someone in the know put these two articles right please ?

It seems that a number of these terms (garrison cap, forage cap, and service cap) refer to different pieces of headgear, depending on time and place. Some web sites I visited show the garrison cap as a WWI-era combination cap[1][2], others as a modern USMC field cap (it always looked like a train engineer cap, in camo colours)[3][4]. I do not know what these lids are called officially.
As for forage cap, that is also used to describe:
- the kepi/shako-like cap of the US Army around the Civil War;
- the old name for the peaked cap (combination cap) worn by the Canadian Forces, now called the servcie dress cap (which brings up its own problems)
- the predecessor to the bowler cap formerly worn by female members of the CF (resembled the Civil War cap)
- the WWII German Army field cap
- a pillbox cap
- and a number of specific regimental style undress fatigue caps from the 19th century or earlier
The RAF website appears to refer to this cap (historically, at least) as the "field service cap", since the first RFC uniform was an Army uniform with this side cap. Confusion reigns!
So I don't know if "garrison cap" is as ambiguous as "forage cap", but it is extremely Amero-centric. Maybe the generic cap should be called a "side cap", which is what it seems to be referred to internationally. --SigPig 06:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other terms for this accessory uniform piece

Although officiall called the Garrison Cap, I have also heard it refered to as a 'cunt cap'. What is the origin of this terminology? How wide spread is it?

Look at article section "Offensive Term". -- Meyer 06:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Why are their not several sections based on the difference in where in the different branches of service?

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