Talk:Gangs of New York

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"resonates with a depth and intricacy is so profound that it is literally impossible to fully grasp it on a first viewing."

This is POV.

     I think the article just needs a few more headings to separate the large blocks of text.

Also, an increas of paragraphs will make the readability better.

Maybe another picture or the film? User:Tim_teddybear on March 6 2006

You guys just put U2 in there, for "the hands thnat built America"

Comment-- I think that Benjamin Justice's criticism is meritless. There are clear depictions of black people being lynched. There's also a radio voice over that states that black people are being attached all over the city.

Contents 1 Length 2 "Edit" 3 No information on the various law enforcement problems/offcials. 4 One-eyed knife thrower? 5 Regarding other ethnic groups not mention in the movie= 6 Image in the plot synopsis 7 Racism 8 Circular Reference Needs to be Corrected 9 Page Title

[edit] Length

What happened to all the info in this article?161.181.53.10 19:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

They used to be much more, not all of it irrelevant or unverified so I guess someone deleted it all? Does Wikipedia have a page backup or something?

[edit] "Edit"

Removal of the Edit button needs to be achieved.

I tried, but now we have two 'edit' links by the picture of LEo and others.

User:Tim_teddybear

I found "_NOEDITSECTION_" (it's actually 2 underscores on each side), which does what you want... but across the whole page. Not sure this is really a good idea though, as it's handy for editors, especially on a long article such as this one. I'd recommend removing the Leo, Cameron and Mike picture actually, as it's not much to do with the film. Maybe a film still a little further down the page? --Estarriol 18:46, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

What is the point of the removal? What is the point of the cleanup tag when the article has been improved to adequate standards? --Antrophica 01:29, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

The point of the removal of the Edit links was that the links looked very "messed up" due to the positioning of the images and sections. A better solution would be to rearrange the images to fix the problem and remove the NOEDITSECTION. As for the cleanup tag... not sure it's still necessary. --Estarriol ^talk 18:12, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll get rid of the cleanup tag and attempt to have everything laid out properly with the edit buttons still intact. --Antrophica 04:33, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No information on the various law enforcement problems/offcials.

Mention was made of the Municipal Police, the state legislated Metropolitan Police, the elected Sheriff and the Constables, and even Marshals were mentioned throughout the movie. There is little in the way of history of those offices in New York City, save the police department that became today's NYPD. Does anyone have any information of the role of those offices in that time period, both by the movie and how it played out vs. the actual history?

[edit] One-eyed knife thrower?

I heard a radio review at the time that criticised the idea of someone with only one eye being able to accurately throw knives. Anyone know anything definite that could be added in the criticism section? Amo 22:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

A person with one eye would have no binocular depth perception. I don't know much about knife throwing, but it may be that the accuracy of the line of the throw is more important than judging the distance of the throw. IJB 11:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

To be more precise, a person with one eye would have no stereoscopic vision, the "pop-up" effect of depth perception that comes from binocular fusion. There are other means of achieving depth perception, the simplest of which is simply relying on the relative size of objects. Turning the head (and moving in general) can also provide depth perception through parallax-- this is why pigeons bob their heads. I have no idea at all of whether Bill could actually have managed as difficult a task as knife-throwing with the other (more limited) sorts of depth perception, especially having been born with two eyes. Another issue with this scene is that most knives are thrown end-over-end rather than straight ahead, although some knife throwers do use this (much more difficult) technique for show. Nitpicks aside, I loved the movie. Daniel Day Lewis is a genius. Kajerm

[edit] Regarding other ethnic groups not mention in the movie=

The reason these groups was left out in the movie was a historical fact. The first wave of immigrants came from Ireland, Germany, and Western Europe before the Civil War. The main group of immigrants coming to New York city was mainly Irish due to the Irish Potato Famine. The main large wave of Italian and Eastern European ethnic groups, mostly of Jewish descent didn't arrive to the United States until the late 19th century. Like their Irish counterparts, They too began to form gangs such as the Italian dominated Five Points Gang and Jewish Eastman Gang who fought with the Irish Gopher Gang of the late 19th and early 20th century in New York City.

This doesn't address the point made about the Chinese community.--Jack Upland 09:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image in the plot synopsis

Does that image of the actors and directors really belong there? It really takes away from the synopsis.

[edit] Racism

"The film has been criticized for playing down the explicitly racist nature of the Draft Riots"

I don't think this really captures the issue. The racism is shown, with scenes of lynching, equation of the Civil War with black people, the symbolic burning of the picture of Frederick Douglass etc, but it is treated sympathetically because the oppression of blacks is ignored, the issue of the draft is foregrounded, the "city fathers" are depicted as corrupt or insensitive, and fundamentally the perspective of the movie is that of the poor whites who rioted.--Jack Upland 09:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. The way the movie did it was much better because the racism, while present, was less important than the fact that they were being forced to fight in a war they didn't care about.Iwanttobeasleep 00:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Circular Reference Needs to be Corrected

In the opening paragraph, the reference to the book that this film was based on (The Gangs of New York) is linked back to this article. Therefore this article should be re-named "Gangs of New York (film)", which would automatically repair the reference. A disambiguation introduction should then be added.--Jstreutker 14:35Z 2007-02-23

[edit] Page Title

Why isn't this page titled "The Gangs of New York (film)" as per usual practice? "The Gangs of New York" should be allocated to the (not yet existant) article on the original book —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.70.247.160 (talk) 12:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC).