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[edit] Bias>

Arcticle is ludicrously biased. Gang of 5 (including Mao) were clearly in power and responsible for Cultural Revolution - with their line, not Deng's, dominant at 10th congress. Opponents of CR overthrew them following Mao's death. Ridiculous for those who organized that coup to pretend they were suppressing an "abortive attempt to gain power" and even more ridiculous for outsiders to accept that account.

But in 1973 the Gang of Four is still not dominating, especially after the death of Lin Biao. They only seized much power in 1975, when they tried to attack Zhou Enlai.--Formulax 01:40 21 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Wait, wait. The article contains links to other Gang of Fours. Are you planning to do disambiguate? Taku 02:38 Jan 4, 2003 (UTC)

This article is not detailed enough. Colipon 20:00, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

This article, as of June 5, 2004, is still extremely confusing. There are simply too many red herrings.

Italicized portions are what I think are red herrings which simply throw people off the proper line of thought. Two or three might be fine for underlining; too many makes this confusing. They should, properly, belong to respective articles, not here. An example (extract):

The removal of this group from power marked the end of the Cultural Revolution, which had been launched by Mao in 1966 as part of his power struggle with leaders such as Liu Shaoqi, Deng Xiaoping and Peng Zhen. Jiang, who before 1966 had not taken a public political role, was placed in charge of the country's cultural apparatus by Mao. Zhang, Yao and Wang were party leaders in Shanghai who had played leading roles in capturing that city for Mao. The military leader Lin Biao was also part of this group until his sudden and never fully explained death in 1971.
"After Lin's death, the Cultural Revolution, which had reduced China's economy, cultural life and educational system to chaos, began to lose impetus. The new commanders of the People's Liberation Army demanded that order be restored in light of the dangerous situation along the border with the Soviet Union (see Sino-Soviet split). The Premier, Zhou Enlai, who had gone along with the Cultural Revolution but never fully supported it, regained his authority, and used it to bring Deng Xiaoping back into the Party leadership at the 10th Party Congress in 1973. (Liu Shaoqi had died in prison in 1969.)

What do they explain about Gang of Four after all? Mandel 12:46, Jun 5, 2004 (UTC)

The vilification of the "Gang" served a useful purpose for the Deng regime. It provided a useful scapegoat for all that had gone wrong with Chinese Communism since 1959, without undermining the fundamental legitimacy of the regime by assigning blame for catastrophic events like the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution where it properly belonged, with Mao Zedong himself.
Mao was to blame but his most trusted underlings weren't to be blamed at all? That's like saying if the Allies caught Adolf Hitler, Hitler would be hanged but his loyal underlings Himmler, Goebbels, Goering, Hess, Borman, Mengele and Eichmann ought to be let go and be set free of all charges.

This needs to be rewritten. Chinese historography after DXP gained power in 1978 puts most of the blame for the GLF and the cultural revolution on Mao himself, and I don't think that anyone in China has ever argued that the Gang of Four had anything to do with the Great Leap Forward.

Now one can make the argument that the villification of the Gang of Four allowed Deng to soften his criticism of Mao between 1976 and 1978 when it was necessary for him to consolidate power, but that's a different statement.

Roadrunner 07:09, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Also removed show trial for NPOV reasons.

Roadrunner 07:15, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Stupid question

But how do you ######### "Pinyin si4 ren2 bang1"? The numbers look like vandalism to me, or is it not? btw, why does the disambiguation page of Gang of four point to here? - Henk Poley

It wasn't vandalism. The numbers represent the tones.

[edit] Picture... too big

Could someone resize it or shuffle the pictures around so that it actually fits in a standard browser screen? — Ambush Commander(Talk) 14:58, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

I find that the picture (vertical display) of the Gang of Four has a problem with the display of the names in my browser. In particular, the name of Jiang Qing is displayed on my browser as 'Jiana Qina', presumably because the bottom of the letters has been truncated. Does anyone know how to fix this? Bill Jefferys 01:40, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] This site and its links may be monitored

22.10.05 This site was referred to in the Wikipedia daily article (Oct. 6) so whilst in Shanghai last week I accessed it (and a number of the links) from a private ADSL line. The next day I could not access Wikipedia or Wikiquote at all (temporarily unavailable...). That evening the gendarmerie knocked on the door in a belligerent mood to check my credentials. I've been to China several times, this is the first time I've received an official visit. I have read somewhere that net surfing is closely monitored in China by a large number (one recent article said 30,000) of police. I believe it

Heck, I couldn't even access Wikipedia last month when I visited China! InvictaHOG 20:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lack of citations

Should the lack of citations tag not be at the top of the article, as there are no references throughout?-Hornandsoccer 01:07, 15 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Khmer Rouge

Giving a link to Khmer Rouge with parantheseses saying similar practices is highly POV. Firstly there is no links to this and no evidence provided, no are the practices of tha "Gang of Four" or any others with the Cultural Revolution Group similar to the practices of Khmer Rouge. In fact the historical circumstances of both are so QUITE different that such a link can't be made.

[edit] Added some references

Lin Biao was the rival of Madam Mao, and the Gang of Four probably only formed after his death. Chen Boda's position is disputed.

I added some references and a detailed account of their arrest. Also split into sections. --GwydionM 17:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it OK to remove the 'no reference' tag? If no one objects, I will do it this time next month. --GwydionM 18:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
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