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Do we need to slavishly list people associated with Galway, many of whom are quite obscure, on this page?

Yes we bloody well do! History is not just about the rich and (in)famous!

Nevertheless - the section is overly long for a summary page on Galway's many facets. I would suggest that some of the more notable persons (tempered by the quality of Wikipedia coverage) be listed, with a link to a separate article detailing a full list of people.
zoney ♣ talk 16:04, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Okay; I'll get working on it.

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[edit] Population

Is Galway not the third largest city in the state follwoing the recent census? Either that or the Advertiser is wrong!

[edit] crane bar

is the crane bar always open? Vev(fr)

not legally :-) --Red King 14:06, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

(Even then, "always open" would be... something of an exaggeration...)

[edit] Connacht

I corrected spelling of "Connacht Tribune" (from "Connaught"). As it's the paper I write for, I couldn't really let that pass! Sergeirichard 17:51, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

I cannot tell a lie but I confess to having written that! I've been away too long...

--Red King 18:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Wait a cotton pickin' minute! Are you the Sergei of Zen sheep fame? Every time I pick up my one sheep-eared copy, I still wet myself with laughter! --Red King 18:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Who wants to know if the crane bar is always open anyway??.. sure call into Padraigs on the docks... thats always open, hail rain or snow!!

[edit] Table of Contents

Does anyone agree that the table of contents is too long and detailed considering the average paragraph lenght been short in comparison - could we simplyfy things? Djegan 30 June 2005 19:17 (UTC)

I agree ℬastique▼talk 30 June 2005 19:31 (UTC)

[edit] Barna

I would like to put some things up on the Wiki re Barna nad its history or would that require another separate page what category could I put it under? Samgalway

There is a stub of an article at Barna, telling little more than basic details. Feel free to add to it! ℬastique▼talk 30 June 2005 23:00 (UTC)

[edit] Joyces and O'Fleah's

Did the Joyces not fight with the O'Fleaharty's (or however you spell it) against the British and as a reward, get lands now known as "Joyce Country". I am uneasy about the protrayal as Galway as a land of Irish loyal to the Queen.. even if it is true??

[edit] (Alternative) derivations of the name

Advice to editors: before you repeat yet another popular misconception of the name and its origins, please read History of Galway#(Alternative) derivations of the name. --Red King 16:23, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Anoymous editor 83.71.162.221 asserts that "Cathair na Gaillimhe" is a recent creation. Where is the evidence? Before the Normans fortified it, it was Dún Bhun na Gaillimhe - the fort at the end (mouth) of the Gaillimh. When it acquired a stone wall, it became a Caher, becuase that is how Irish people described stone forts. The conventional translation you use is based on lack of understanding of the history and invalid assumptions about anglicisations. --Red King 17:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ballyknow Quay

I've added a photo to the harbour section, but I'd like someone to check that the caption is appropriate. I'm relying on my memory and a map. Cheers! - Gobeirne 15:53, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Galwegians redirects here

Its AFD agreed to do so. Johnleemk | Talk 11:52, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] CFD

The related Category:Members of Parliament for Galway has been nominated for deletion. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for Discussion page.

--Mais oui! 09:44, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Galway is the 3rd largest city in the Republic, not the fourth.

According to the most recent census, Galway is the 3rd largest city in the Republic of Ireland after Dublin and Cork. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.101.187.94 (talk • contribs).

That is an artefact due to a large chunk of Limerick being legally in County Clare. --Red King 19:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
How can a "large chunk" of Limerick be "legally" in a different county? You must be talking about an urban area of County Clare that borders on Limerick. It's still in County Clare and obviously not part of County Limerick. Cities and counties have established boundaries. In any event, the data are provided by the official census bureau. And I contend that it's of more than trivial interest from an historical and cultural perspective that Galway has surpassed Limerick in size. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.118.0.14 (talk • contribs).
After the second city these things quickly become a trivial matter. Djegan 20:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Djegan. However saying that Galway city is the 3rd city is officially true if you look at census 2006 but in reality it isn't.

  • 52,000 live in Limerick city.
  • 40,000 live in suburbs in Co. Limerick(Ballycummin 16,000, Ballysimon 11,000,Limerick North Rural 7,000, Limerick South Rural 1,500, Roxboro 1,600 etc)
  • 5,000 live in suburbs in Co. Clare (Ballyglass)
  • Total = Limerick city and suburbs 97,000

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Taoiseach (talk • contribs).

But there are also a lot of smaller towns around Galway that are effectively suburbs of the city which is why it's best to use the census data based on defined city limits. Akilleen 21:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes there are a few smaller towns around Galway, such as Barna, Athenry, Oranmore, Carnmore etc. but the thing is with these towns is that they are geographically farther away from Galway city than Limerick suburbs are from Limerick city. http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?city=Galway&state=&country=IE

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?city=Limerick&country=Ireland&zoom=6


Galway suburbs extend from Barna on the west to Oranmore on the east. It's all built up and there are commuters who live in those areas and beyond. But those towns are not part of what the census office counts anymore than are Limerick's suburbs. What I find interesting is that 20 or more years ago the city of Limerick clearly had a larger population than the city of Galway. That has changed for various reasons which need to be described. Galway has one of the fastest growth rates of any city in Europe whereas Limerick city's population has declined since the last census. These are the facts that raise many questions about why Galway is growing so rapidly. Is it the University? Is is government funding? What exactly is attracting so many people to Galway? And why has Limerick fallen behind in population? Akilleen 20:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
More likely, people have decamped from inner city Limerick to the suburbs, but less so in Galway where the inner city is a desirable squat. Inner Limerick is just a squat.
The aerial survey shows a clear green belt between Galway and Oranmore/Barna - you are being misled by the ribbon development along the coast road.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Galway&ie=UTF8&ll=53.275684,-9.07505&spn=0.091972,0.310707&t=h&om=1
but Limerick and its 'burbs are much more cohesive
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Limerick&ie=UTF8&ll=52.65806,-8.602295&spn=0.093296,0.310707&t=h&om=1
(Is UL in Limerick City or County Limerick?) --Red King 21:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Looking at the map in "Proposal for a City Boundary Extension", Limerick City Council it would appear to confirm that the university is not located within the present boundary. Djegan 21:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

UL is not located within Limerick city (it's located in Castletroy(part of Ballysimon ED). In fact the 2 cineplexes in Limerick are not even located within the city limits, they are located in the suburbs of Co. Limerick(Castletroy + Raheen). The reason why Limerick city has experienced a population decline is because people don't want to live in the actual city, they prefer to live in a wealthier safer leafy suburbia outside of the city limits, so because of this the suburbs are growing in population, but the city population is declining. Hence the battle between the following councils Co. Clare, Limerick city, Co. Limerick over the City Boundary extension proposal. Co. Limerick county council is geting so much money in rates/taxes etc and none of this money is going to help the city with social initiatives etc.(which is just propagating the vicious circle of poverty/crime etc) Co. Clare doesn't want to lose any of its territory to a Greater Limerick. So what we are witnessing is a County versus City War. (The Have's against the Have Nots)

Enough of the rubbish statistics:
City name - Population of city council - Population of urban area
2002
Limerick - 54,023 - 87,000
Galway - 65,832 - 66,200
2006
Limerick - 52,560 - ?
Galway - 71,983 - ?
The reason for the question marks for 2006 is that these results require a certain amount of analysis, which
the CSO only gives in the final report. However, there is no possible way that Galway is a larger city than
Limerick. Its political boundary encloses a larger population, yes, but the actual size of the urban area is
the only thing that actually means anything. Dublin's boundary only encloses half a million people, despite the
fact that there are about 1.1 million people in the city.
It's a pity that every city uses it's own propaganda to make itself look bigger than the others. It's pathetic
really, but so typically Ireland. Merlante 09:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cities in Ireland

Unfortunately it appears content (irrespective of quality) is now determined by straw votes, see Talk:Cities in Ireland. Comments welcome. Djegan 19:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I disagree; a definitive link to the size of the cities in Ireland was made at the opening of the article: ..The population of the city was 71,983 at the most recent census ... I say 'definitive', because the Central Statistics Office is the body that defines the size of the populations in the different living areas in Ireland, so the appropriate figure is given in the article. If people want to muse on the legitimacy of this, fine, but the article holds the latest and definitive population (this may be updated shortly, as the statement on the population was described as 'preliminary' by the CSO, meaning the CSO has set it, but may refine it, watch this space) -- PD 18:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is Galway legally a city?

above problem solved. Now there is a new problem. Galway's pedigree as a city is very much in question there (by me, but I would like to be proved wrong!) --Red King 21:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is - the relevant statute is the Local Government (Reorganisation) Act, 1985. --Red King 22:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Not only is Galway a city, but the smallest city in the world is claimed to be in County Galway, namely Tuam. -- PD 16:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

the population figures from the 2006 census offically stated that Galway is the third largest city in the republic.until the boundaries of other cities change, that is how it will officially remain.

[edit] GA failed

The article currently has no sources at all which is a requirement under the GA criteria. Add inline citations to all statements that may be questioned about verifiability and look to other GA/FAs for examples. Make sure the other criteria are met as well before reformatting. --Nehrams2020 09:06, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

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