Talk:Gabriel Heinze

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[edit] Welsh?

When did his father move to Argentina?

User 82.36.23.73 added the text "Somewhat bizarrely, Heinze is able to speak Welsh. He hails from Patagonia, an area where many Welsh people settled in the 19th century and as such the language is spoken to some degree.".

I'm not sure if theres any truth in this, but as far as I understand Heinze was born in the Mesopotamic and warm Entre Ríos Province, far from the Patagonic coldness of Chubut Province where the Welsh people settled. Perhaps his familly moved down there, but I haven't been ablo to find any reference to this.

a few links stating Heinze was born in Crespo, Entre Ríos: [1], [2], [3], [4]

If we don't find some info that proves this right, I will removed this text in, say a week. -Mariano 07:49, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

The Welsh thing was mentioned in the Guardian's match commentary this evening [5], so I had a look round for sources. The best I could find is a profile on the Sky Sports site (marked copyright 2006) which beas a remarkable resemblance to the comment noted above: Born to a German father and an Italian mother, Heinze's cosmopolitan make-up is accentuated by his ability to speak Welsh. Hailing from Patagonia, a region inhabited by Welsh settlers in the 19th Century...". I don't know what's going on, or who's taking info from whom. Henry^Flower 19:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

An anon user added this on 28 December 2004. There it says he was born in Patagonia to German father and Italian mother. Now, we know he was NOT born in patagonia, and that both parents are Argentine (regardless of their ancestors). Thus, I believe this is a hoax that went outside Wikipedia, and now is hitting us back. I don't believe he speaks welsh, but he certanly has little to do with Patagonia. Mariano(t/c) 10:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that's right. That was the only thing the anon added that wasn't from the golaccio article. My only slight doubt is that it implies that Sky Sports copied it from us, though with journalistic standards today I shouldn't be surprised (harrumph). Henry^Flower 10:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm late to this article, but I have spoken to Manchester United's press officer and am assured that Heinze does NOT speak Welsh - it's an urban myth which has also seen Gabriel Batistuta wrongly described as Welsh speaking in the past too Blogdroed 19:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Heinze is from Crespo, Entre Rios. I know the place and the people fairlry well. There is really nothing to the rumour that he speaks Welsh. His ancestors left germany around the times of the napoleon wars, stayed in a russia for two generations, and left for argentina around 1900. There are not even any german speakers left in crespo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.109.171.39 (talk • contribs).

Note: Falls under original research, please source. x42bn6 Talk 00:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, x42bn6, I do now understand that this falls under WPOR. Thank you for introducing the concept to me - I am new to Wikipedia. However, my change on the page, regarding Heinze speaking welsh or not, is still relevant. Not because I can confirm that he de not speaks welsh, but because nobody is citing a reliable source that he do. Talking about rumours in the introduction is anyway unapropiate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.109.130.237 (talk • contribs).

The reference you removed, actually ([6]) goes one better and says that he can speak Welsh. x42bn6 Talk 17:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, your source is totally unreliable, due to two facts: First of all it states in the same sentence that Heinze has a german father and an italian mother. This was confrimed untrue, and removes from this page one year ago. Secondly, it's likely that the information on the skysports page origened in Wikipedia itself - where you will find exactly the same sentence from 2004. Have a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gabriel_Heinze&oldid=20478318 Seems like the hoax started inside here, by someone not citing sources, went out to skysport and hit us back. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.109.130.237 (talk • contribs).

"Confirmed"? Either way, I won't revert again because I might break WP:3RR (be careful in case you do). However, Yahoo! also reports this: [7] - but we cannot assume SkySports or Yahoo! copied directly from Wikipedia. x42bn6 Talk 19:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

hi, "confirmed" refered to german & italian parents. But that's another discussion... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.109.130.237 (talk • contribs).

But where? I don't wish to push things because WP:BLP is exclusionist rather than inclusionist, but if it can't be determined without WP:OR, then we have a problem. x42bn6 Talk 20:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copy

So did we copy the article from this page, or did they copy from us? Henry^Flower 19:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

On further investigation, we clearly copied from them: a late Christmas present from the anon noted above: [8]. If anyone could re-add some of the information in a more legal fashion, that would be lovely. Henry^Flower 20:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)