Talk:Full Sail Real World Education

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Contents 1 Film School Advice 2 Items in "Upcoming Buildings" needs validation 3 Future construction 4 Conflict of interest? 5 From Talk: Full Sail 6 Accreditation 7 My recent edit 8 List of Full Sail alumni projects

[edit] Film School Advice

I won't add it myself, but I'm wondering if it's appropriate for somebody to add as an external link?

I have a multi-page article on attending Full Sail on my website, Advice from a Full Sail Graduate. It has notes about the decision to attend, suggestions for current students, and advice for making the most of it after graduation. I created it because of the amount of anti-FS discussion out there by the people who generally didn't give it their all or blame the school for their own mistakes.

Ziemkowski 02:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Items in "Upcoming Buildings" needs validation

There are always rumors among students and staff about these things--rarely does anybody outside of Administration know what's going on until the blueprints are known.

The "Unknown Building" and "Film Backlot" entries are particularly lacking information.

The best bet would be to email Administration and ask them to verify public projects.

Ziemkowski 00:36, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Future construction

Again, saying "like Universal or MGM" is innapropriate. Instead, make a factual comparison if possible (eg. "90% of the size of the current MGM backlot" if such data is available).

Limesix: As mentioned in my previous comment we need sources on future projects. You deleted two thirds of them (leaving only film-centric future plans) and re-introduced unverified claims. Please give reason and justification for your edits... you're practically rewriting the whole article! This is wikipedia not your personal homepage.

Ziemkowski 16:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conflict of interest?

This article has been extensively edited by someone using the IP address 66.192.104.10 (talk • contribs), which is registered to Full Sail Technology, Inc. in Winter Park, FL, which apparently operates the venture described in the article. This clearly violates the guideline Wikipedia:List of bad article ideas, and appears to violate the policy stipulating that Wikipedia is not a directory or a resource for conducting business. See also WP:NPOV-WP:VAIN-WP:AUTO among others. ---CH 07:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

That IP is for the student wireless network, and is used mainly by Full Sail students and not one person. There are probably a few other IPs belonging to Full Sail that are for their networks, and are not necessarily used by the administration. As such, I don't think it would violate any of Wikipedia's rules, but I'm not an expert. For clarification: I'm a current GDD student at Full Sail and have edited Wikipedia on that IP while at school before (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Full_Sail_Real_World_Education&diff=prev&oldid=53751333 - Sorry, I don't know how to inline that sort of link) -JNighthawk 09:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] From Talk: Full Sail

Full Sail is accredited by ACCSCT, an organization focused on the accreditation of career schools, a.k.a. "Vocational Schools". A highly specialized non-traditional school focused on preparing students for a specific career path, such as Full Sail, is better classified as a vocational school or career school as opposed to "colleges" which are primarily avocational in nature and offer students a wide variety of general education options or majors. If I may quote from ACCSCT's website FAQ:

"Only private, postsecondary career schools and colleges with trade, occupational or technical educational objectives are eligible for accreditation. ACCSCT may decline to consider for accreditation otherwise eligible schools if it determines that the programs offered by an applicant school fall outside of the Commission’s primary scope and competence or there is a lack of standards necessary for meaningful review. Please note that schools primarily directed toward avocational or general education objectives are ineligible for accreditation with ACCSCT."

I have zero interest in getting into a battle over semantics, I was merely trying to more accurately reflect the specialized nature of Full Sail's programs. Classifying Full Sail as a "college" in the strictest sense of the word is a bit of a misnomer. - re: revision to "College" on 30 June 2006 by 66.192.104.10

The school offers degrees for all its and is accreditted to do so - "College" is the more appropriate term. - re: revision to "Vocation School" on 23 June 2006 by 71.234.83.67

[edit] Accreditation

Deleted third paragraph of accreditation explanation under "Criticism" - it was basically redundant, and was also starting to turn the entry into an argument for/against regional accreditation, with assumptions and extrapolations concerning what Full Sail would need to do to be compliant. The link at the end of the second paragraph explains things sufficiently.

You yourself (or someone on the same Full Sail IP address) added the line "though the school is actively working on changing this" to the paragraph, and the section you refer to above and which you removed only expanded on that statement with a well documented source which involved no "assumptions and extrapolations". Therefore it was relevent to the discussion on accreditation. So as I understand it then, you want to claim Full Sail will be changing it's accreditation standards to be acceptable to regionally accredited institutions but offer no insight as to how or what that would entail. If you were to actually read the PDF that was linked to the section you deleted (and included here again for your personal education), you would have found everything documented right there. Let's face it, whether you agree with their policies or not, regionally accredited institutions of higher learning (colleges) only accept credit from other regionally accredited institutions of higher learning (other colleges). - 71.234.83.67 SACS Principles of Accreditation

You are entirely right. I understand the OP's point about it seeming like it's a debate, but it's not. It was good information, and explained why Full Sail hasn't been able to do it yet, and if it would, how it would do it. - JNighthawk 12:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Please sign your comments! Use four tildes at the end. - JNighthawk 12:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

As per the above discussion, I removed the addition "thought the school is actively working on changing this" by 66.192.104.10. Upon a review of the Full Sail website and an inquiry (by myself) regarding accreditation to the admissions office, there is no basis for the assertion FS is seeking credit transferability to regionally accredited institutions on their own terms. To 66.192.104.10, don't take this personally but I believe that something as serious as accreditation needs to be completely accurate with absolutely no conjecture. If you can provide information that shows what FS is doing to achieve transferability please do so. Since my previous post explaining things was obviously unacceptable to you, the burden of proof is on you. Believe me, as someone with a ton of FS credit that cannot be used for anything in traditional academia I hope you are correct. You might be able to make the claim that ACCSCT is seeking to make credit transferable, but that is neither here nor there because they've been trying to accomplish that for the past 20 years. - 71.234.83.67 6:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The information on what regional accreditation would require should still be there, as it explains why Full Sail is nationally accreditated, rather than regionally. Debbie Mills, Director of Student Affairs, said on Propeller (the internal school forum) "We are not changing our accreditation . We are working to acquire articulation agreements with other schools to facilitate easier credit transfer to regionally accredited schools. Nothing more." I would take that at face value, and revert. - JNighthawk 08:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Followed your advice JNighthawk and rewrote the paragraph in a way which I think says it all. Thanks. - 71.234.83.67 14:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I changed the future tense to present on the articulation agreements, as per the quote saying that they are actively working on it. - JNighthawk 21:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's better thanks again. - 71.234.83.67 03:57, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I removed the statement about Full Sail working to aquire articulation agreements with regionally accredited schools for credit tranfer on the grounds that A)I couldn't locate a link to a source citing this. B) After reading through the discussion.. This statement is not published anywhere on their website or on any credible source and I would hardly consider what someone wrote on a forum to be a citable source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.47.120.6 (talk)

True enough, Propeller is internal and access is granted only to current students and staff. As an alumnus, I don't have access anymore. The statement, however, was not written by "someone" on a random forum. It was written by Debbie Mills, the director of student affairs, on Full Sail's official internal forum. The internal nature of the forum makes citing it near impossible, though. I'm not sure what to do here. I'm adding an "According to Debbie Mills" thing on that part, but I dunno. If you still feel it should be removed, feel free to do so. - JNighthawk 06:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

It may have been said on an internal forum but the school itself has never made any public mention of attempts to do this. Im not saying that Debbie never said this but it is misleading and pretty much hearsay because it's on an internal forum that can't be cited. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.83.139.63 (talk) 03:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] My recent edit

I removed some of what I felt were POV comments in the costs section and updated the cost (that's about what my GDD degree cost). I re-added the Full Sail catalog as a reference, as it is, contrary to User:Bobak's thoughts. The article, nor the reference, is neither spam nor advertisement. It's information on the school.

My question would be why was the type changed from Private college to Vocational school? I don't know what the official classification is, but there was no information as to why it was changed. Ah, just read some of the discussion that I moved over from the old Full Sail page. I'm going to research that a bit and see which fits more, as Full Sail is specialized, but does offer general education classes and a degree, not a certificate. - JNighthawk 20:29, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Full Sail alumni projects

I like it, but I have two issues with it. I'm not sure if it belongs on Wikipedia (I'd lean more towards yes than no) and the alumni that worked on the projects aren't listed. When I get a chance, I'll look for which alumni worked on what (I personally know of many more game projects worked on by alumni that I'll add). - JNighthawk 17:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)