Talk:Fresa
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Given that editors apparently do not wish to actually locate and cite sources for the material that I couldn't find reliable sources for when I wrote it, and have repeatedly removed the {{citeneeded}} tag without citing sources as required, I have removed the unsourced material. This material will stay removed until sources are cited. Further unsourced additions will be mercilessly removed, too. Citing sources is not optional. Uncle G 08:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
The book "Los de Arriba" (The Top Dogs) written by Guadalupe Loaeza is a history of the Mexican upper classes from the 1930s to the 21st century. In the chapter covering the 1970's she writes "In spite of the social changes (in Mexico) many upper class girls couldn't help being classist, racist and totally clueless. The girls who were as conservative as their mothers were labeled as "niñas fresas". This type of girls would study languages or history of art. Even though they were well informed, they were constantly shocked by what others did or said, e.g. regarding sex before marriage or drugs". (Pages 164-167) Attitudes have changed since the seventies, the same author writes "In the nineties the Fresa girls went out to clubs, it became acceptable to talk about private matters, AIDS, homosexuality, cosmetic surgeries and liftings, things had changed a lot since the 1950s!" (Pages 207-208)
Footnotes: Loaeza, Guadalupe "Los de Arriba" November 2002, Plaza & Janes Mexico S.A. de C.V. ISBN: 968-11-0575-3
Other books by the same author regarding the Mexican upper class are: "Las niñas bien" "Las reinas de Polanco" "Compro luego exito" (about their shopping habits) "Manual de la Gente Bien" (A manners book)
Also: "Ricas y famosas" by Daniela Rossell (a photography book that shocked many in Mexico by the display of wealth) For pictures of fresas in social events visit: www.quien.com (website for society magazine Quien) Philix 27
As a wikipedian enthusiast I agree 100% and stand behind the policies of quoting sources. Yet as a Mexican I'm afraid much truth about this social phenomenon would be quite hard to reliably quote, and as such, some of them have already been taken down despite being true.
Take for example, where it says that fresas use a particular entonation while speaking and mix-in english words. Believe me, not only is this true, but even has its depths to it, e.g., there are whole sections of youngsters who inevitably (i.e. being born and grow) have this entonation due to their background and formation, and there are those who imitate it to acquire whatever attributes the fresa have, and there are those who can tell the difference.
So what could I quote as a reliable source? I think I could record the voices of several people and upload them as .ogg since I have plenty to pick from both "fresa" and "naco" "cliques".
I did notice the article has already been nominated for deletion once, and I'm guessing many of you wonder why would I even bother with further elaborating on this subject. In my own opinion, the more light I can shed on the topic, the more educated an opinion will foreign people make if they ever come across these phenomenons. It is already tough to deal with these labels being a native, and the last thing I'd want is for anyone to unadvertedly or wrongfully "stick to", or get misled, by any of these stereotypes.
I know this goes (in parallel, not that they are related) as far as to the U.S., and I wonder if it does too in other cultures (i.e. Yuna Ito suddenly speaking English for no good reason in the "Nana" movie... I just shake my head... that's so, "Rebelde"), therefore I have hope that reasonable people will come to learn about this with an open mind and specially learn that these cultural traits do not define an entire nation, neither in the foreigner's eyes, nor in our own, and that there are people with enough maturity to see beyond them and appreciate people for who they really are.
Also, sorry if this was too long for the discussion section, I can talk too much about this without realizing it because it worries me too much that the fresa/naco deal is getting out of control here, almost to the point of affecting the presidential elections, but that's another story eh? :) Oleksandr 05:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
