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[edit] CIA Country Study
This entire article (France in Algeria, 1830-1962)is taken word for word from the CIA Country Study of Algeria!! No, the Country Study is not copyrighted information, but can Wikipedia simply "reproduce" someone else's intellectual work, verbatim, and under a different author's name? (That's a rhetorical question. The technical answer is YES - but the ethical answer is NO.) It's not sufficient to credit the Country Study of Algeria merely as a reference ("original text") if this Wikipedia article is indeed a word-for-word complete reprint. Anyone who's interested can compare the Wikipedia text with the Country Study text, from the Library of Congress website: http://rs6.loc.gov/frd/cs/dztoc.html At least the Library of Congress site clearly indicates the last update for the Country Study content - it hasn't been updated since 1993! At the very least, you should very clearly reference the fact that this entire article is a complete repackaging of someone else's uncopyrighted work from 1993, which is indeed already fully available to anyone on the web.
- I agree, it's great information, but it doesn't have the same feel as a picked-apart, start-from-zero wikipedia entry. I say delete everything but the intro. Rhetth 18:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Somewhat biased?
"It was an inauspicious beginning to France's self-described "civilizing mission," whose character on the whole was cynical, arrogant, and cruel."
[edit] Moved from Algeria
Moved from Algeria, this seems to belong somewhere in this article: - Mustafaa 08:34, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- The colonial society of Algeria can be portrayed as a class-society, with extremely strong inequalities, but with the interesting feature that classes were not defined only by wealth or ownership of capital, but were above all defined by religion and ethnicity. At the top, wealthy colonists of French descent, then below were middle-class or poor pieds-noirs of French descent, then rich pieds-noirs of non-French descent (including Jews), then middle-class or poor pieds-noirs of non-French descent (including Jews), then still below were rich Muslim Algerians, and at the bottom were poor Muslim Algerians (until the 1950's there were very few middle-class Muslim Algerians). Intermarriages were unthinkable between these groups (although they were legal), even between the pieds-noirs of French descent and the pieds-noirs of non-French descent. However, the colonial society of Algeria cannot be compared with the segregationist society of the United States at the time, or the apartheid society of South Africa, in the sense that people were allowed to mix with each other, and to live side by side, and to go to the same shops, or cafes, or theaters, or even schools after the 1930's. But inequality of wealth and traditional mentalities kept the society extremely rigid. Although they were neighbors (as there was no segregation), and often in good terms with each other, Christians, Jews, and Muslims would not have thought it proper to be close friends. Poor Arabs and Kabyles were not forbidden to climb the social ladder, and there are many examples of Muslim Algerian who became doctors, lawyers, etc., but lack of money and contacts, as well as a general unwillingness of the European elite to facilitate their promotion or to grant them voting rights, meant it was very hard for the vast majority of Arabs and Kabyles to climb the social ladder.
[edit] Introduction
This article needs a proper introduction. It plunges right into France's motives without simply informing the reader, first, what went on from 1830 to 1962 in Algeria.
- Feel free to edit one Wikipedia:Be Bold... Lapaz 09:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Napoleon's 1808 contingency plan for the invasion of Algeria?
The article mentions this without any explanation. Why did Napoleon plan to invade Algeria? Why did it not happen then? What made it a "contigency plan?" Funnyhat 04:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Who painted the scene with Duperre?
Could the uploader, or someone else, identify the author of the painting concerning Duperre? (in the same occasion, both on Commons and on this page)? Thanks, Tazmaniacs
