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[edit] french control?

This map shows a large area of French control in India. Is the map correct because the article doesnt seem to mention as large an area as this? -- Astrokey44|talk 12:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I found a map here that seems to confirm that the French had the large area in the 1740's, but they didn't hold on to it for long. Kmusser 20:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello Kmusser,

I don't mean to dig up a previously discussed point, but I do agree with the previous contributor. Although you (I presume you compiled the aesthetically pleasing maps) accurately indicate French dominions and influence on the India map, the world map mistakenly portrays areas of French influence as part of the French Empire. I'm afraid that is not supported by the map or by historical fact. After all, Hyder Ali, the Nizam, and the Marathas were all independent rulers until their defeat/treaties with the British. Although Dupleix was an effective and cunning imperialist, I think we give him a little more credit than he is due with that map. Moreover, due to this map, the French world empire article notes that half of India was under French rule, which of course isn't true. Please let me know what your thoughts are and if the changes can be made by you or someone else. Thanks for your understanding.

Best Regards,

Devanampriya 06:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, that area probably should be hatched to show French influence instead of control like they did for China. There is also comment on the image page that a portion of Thailand should be hatched as well. That one isn't one of my maps though - it was made by User:Yug, who I believe is still active. I'd rather not change it if he is willing to do it himself.Kmusser 13:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't made it. I'm an administrator on Wiki-fr and particuraly on historical topics. When I found this map on Wiki-en, I moved it from En to Commons. I only did that. From what I know about France in India, we only had the control over some indians cities. But it may be that all the area was, in a time, under french influence. I know no more. Have you some informations ? Indian's people should be able to help you. See :

• the Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian history
• the Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history
• the Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian maps <=

Yug (talk) 20:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

ok, I went ahead and edited it, hopefully that is an improvement. Kmusser 20:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello Kmusser,

Thank you for stepping in to manage this. I take it from your reference to France in India as "we" that you are of French origin. However, I do think we should distinguish between French Territory "i.e. Chandernagore, Pondicherry, Yanam" and French Allies, i.e. Hyder Ali/Tipu Sultan. Although there is a difference between the French Sphere of Influence in China and areas of India where the French had strong diplomatic relations under Dupleix. The regions that are covered there were independent kingdoms under the Nizam of Hyderabad, Hyder Ali/Tipu, and the Marathas. The dark blue territories are correct, from what I understand. I appreciate your edits, however, I would suggest a rewording. The caption discussing light blue should denote "french allies or french influence" whereas dark blue should designate actual territory in "French India". Sorry the hatched and the solid seem to blend in on the map. The French were indeed on the cusp of serious empire in India, but the British put an end to that. Although I could make the changes myself, I would like to defer to you since you are the admin.

Best Regards,

Devanampriya 18:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

The light blue refers to the first colonial empire and the dark blue refers to the second colonial empire - as discussed in French colonial empires which I think is the article this map was designed for. The solid versus hatched differentiates between possessions and areas of influence. Sorry I can't make that much clearer on the map - I'm stuck with the resolution of the base map. Feel free to edit the caption yourself - this is way outside my area of expertise. I'm not an admin, I just know how to use Photoshop :-) Kmusser 19:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and took the map out of this article entirely, it dates from before Astrokey44's much better map was added and doesn't really serve a purpose here. Kmusser 19:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)