Talk:Fred Phelps/Archive 3
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changed in collusion with to in conjunction with
Page stated that Phelps' recent activities were "in collusion with" the Westboro congregation. "in collusion with" seems inflammatory/POV, so I changed.
- Good call.Steve Dufour 13:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
childhood picture caption - My vandalism sense is tingling
I noticed that the caption under Phelps childhood picture says that his father was a "hooligan" and "sodomist" who regularly engaged with Phelps sr. It also states that today Phelps engages in sodomy with the male members of his family...Guys, I have a pretty good sense of smell towards vandalism, and this is one huge stinker of a plop that I smell. If its not gone after i finish writing this, i am removing it. -72.161.134.123
WP:BLP
All unsourced or poorly sourced negative material about a living person needs to be deleted on sight. I would suggest to involved editors, to review WP:BLP and proceed with cleanup as soon as possible. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 03:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
What is this?
This is from the top section:
- ...arguing it is their sacred duty to share their views with others. When criticized, Phelps' followers say they are protected in doing so by the 1st Amendment.
Is anyone trying to take away their right to protest? Steve Dufour 07:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- Steve, Yes, see Respect_for_America's_Fallen_Heroes_Act. By the way, I think that this article should be removed from the featured article status because of the unsourced negative sentiments that I tagged ("cynical") and that you removed. Andries 07:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the information. (BTW I don't think the law is a good thing; freedom of speech is too important a principle in our country -- no matter how offensive that speech is.) Steve Dufour 15:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
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- An encyclopedia isn't a place to make new arguments; I'd suggest that if that's their response to criticism, then that's what we report. Our duty is to relay facts in a neutral tone so that readers can decide on their own. Regards, Luna Santin 08:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
It's an Americo-centric view, actually: in Europe we are working towards a position of being safeguarded from hate-speech. In plain words that no-one may be denigrated in his being by the hate-speech of someone else, publicly. We all may wonder which is the better course, but we may not deny that there are, in liberal democracies, at least two courses which may be followed. MacMurrough 02:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
External links cleanup
I just went through and did some cleaning up of the external links section according to the guidelines at Wikipedia:External links — it needed some major work. Some of my changes were as follows:
- Added a hidden note in HTML markup asking editors to refer to WP:EL before adding new links - Most won't, but they can't say we didn't ask them to when spam gets reverted.
- Remove list of WBC websites - These belong at Westboro Baptist Church.
- Removed "Further Reading" subcategory - This was a miscellaneous collection of links; the essential ones needed to go into the other subcategories.
- Removed "Supporters of Phelps" - Non-notable unless there's a significant relationship between the two (which would merit mention in the above article and thereby make this section unneeded anyway).
- Shortened "Critics" and "Parodies" - There are hundreds, if not thousands, of links that could fit into each category. All that is needed is two or three which are a representative sample; Wikipedia is not a collection of external links. If they have the ability to find the Phelps article here, they can find plenty more on Google. Additionally, many of these were sloppy or otherwise poorly-created sites. Finally, many of these sites were critical of Westboro Baptist rather than Phelps specifically. While few would argue that Phelps speaks for Westboro, there are two seperate articles and the links need to be distinguished according to which one they're primarily targeting.
- Added a link to Westboro Baptist Church#External links - See above.
For the editors who read here before adding new links — and thank you for checking the discussion page first — please make sure that they add something new, unique and significant that is not already covered by the other links. There are a TON of pages critiquing Phelps, a TON of interviews, and a TON of parody sites. Is the new link going to add something essential to this encyclopedic article that isn't already here? Could you instead add said content and use your link as a reference? Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 22:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I understand why mine was deleted, but I have to ask you a question: Was mine sloopy or poorly-created? --Darkdan 02:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- No. Looked pretty slick, actually. How about we add it here - http://www.danstheman.com/SPECIALS/2005/phelps.obit/ - so if another editor picks up on it and agrees that it adds something unique, significant and encyclopedic to the article, they can add it. I'll recuse myself from doing so, since I was the one cleaning everything out. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 20:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
