User talk:Francis Tyers/Fuck the Border

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Contents 1 Chinese 1.1 Redux 2 Filipino and Danish 3 Serbian and Croatian 4 Italian 5 Hungarian 6 English 7 Dutch and Flemish 8 Bengali 9 Kurdish 10 Bosnian 11 Discussion on livejournal 12 Ukrainian 13 Malayalam 14 Awesome! 15 Armenian 16 Re: French & Romanian 17 Estonian and Esperanto 18 Urban Transylvanian 19 Lojban 20 Welsh 21 Tagalog / Filipino 22 hindi 23 Swedish 24 more Spanish 25 Latina 26 Persian, Pashto and Tajiki 27 Finnish 28 Turkish 29 Greek 30 Norwegian

[edit] Chinese

The simplified and traditional Chinese versions are nonsense, nothing to do with borders. — Pekinensis 14:45, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks, I will remove them, I don't suppose you could give the correct translation? - FrancisTyers 16:03, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have been thinking about this for some time and have come up with nothing. A literal translation is extremely unnatural Chinese. — Pekinensis 16:19, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Doesn't have to be a literal translation, just capture the essence of the phrase. For example, the Armenian says "send the border to hell" (or something similar). This is fine :) - FrancisTyers 07:25, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Of course, but I haven't been able to come up with anything close. I will keep thinking about it. — Pekinensis 21:18, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps "打倒边界", literally something like "beat down the border", but it's more of a call to (possibly violent) action, whereas I imagine "fuck the border" as more of a call to disregard or ignore the border. — Pekinensis 17:24, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, it depends on the meaning of "beat down". Can this only be taken in a literal sense? e.g. Someone going and hitting an imaginary line in the earth with a baseball bat, or can it be a more metaphorical thing? If its the latter then that would be perfect :) "Fuck the border" can be a call to disregard borders or to work for their destruction. The English nominally means to work for their desctruction. - FrancisTyers 18:46, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

It means literally to beat and thus cause to fall. In slogans and on banners, it is or has been commonly followed by phrases such as "American imperialism", "the Japanese bastards", "the land-owning class", or "the Gang of Four". Perhaps a better translation in these contexts would be "destroy".

I read the phrase in the Propagandhi lyrics as a call to disregard the border, with prejudice perhaps, and perhaps implying that its destruction would be a good idea too, but not as directly an exhortion to destroy it.

I don't think what I gave would be a terrible translation, but it is definitely a couple of steps more militant than the English original.

— Pekinensis 19:22, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Ok, have added it, sounds good to me :) I'm sure its right, but I could do with getting a couple of people to confirm it. Will look around for some Chinese speakers on irc. Thanks again - FrancisTyers 09:43, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, you could say, "他妈的国界去死!", but I have no idea if that sounds at all right when you are talking about an inanimate object. You could also try, "跟国界一起作爱吧" if you want more of a romantic mood ... - Nat Krause 09:45, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Right. These are the translations that immediately suggest themselves, but:

The imperative wording of the first sounds seems to be addressing the border, as in "Fuck you, damned border!". It might be improved by becoming a declarative sentence, like "他妈的国界可以去死", but as you point out, "go die" is incoherent for nonliving things anyway.

I'm guessing from your user page that you are a nice Buddhist boy, so it falls upon me to use the word "肏" (cào), and a shorter and less romantic version of your second sentence is the most literal translation of the English: "肏国界". I believe that the main downfall of either version is that they are again imperative sentences, implying an addressee, this time not the border itself but a listener or reader who is told to carry out the absurd act.

Does that seem right? I hope I'm not being too pompous here. I'm thinking of changing fields to become a professional translator, and I would like to become more precise and explicit in my thinking about the subject.

— Pekinensis 16:04, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

No, not at all. You raise very reasonable issues, although I'm not familiar enough with Chinese swearing to suggest a way around them. "肏国界" is certainly the most literal translation (perhaps this is what the old suggestion means by 曹?), perhaps the best as well. After all, the English version is also an imperative statement suggesting an absurd act. - Nat Krause 04:56, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

I do believe you guys are being too literal about the colloquialism, because it needs to be short-and-sweet enough to be as a slogan as "fuck the border". I belive "国界去死" (border, go and die), or failing that "让国界去死" (let the border go and die), captures the essence best. Although the border is not a living entity and cannot die, "去死" is more connotatively equivalent to "go to hell" than a literal death.

As far as "肏国界", I have never heard "肏" used alone as a declarative verb, at least in my region (Zhejiang).

If the style of "打倒边界", or "Down with the Border", is to be used, then it should at least be changed to "打倒国界", for "national border". However, this style has, as have been previously mentioned, militant-rebellious overtones as opposed to the civil-disobedience-ignore that's intended.

And "国界是猪想出来的！" (Borders are thought up by pigs) Come on! It's too long to be an insult. It's sorta like lengthening "fuck the border" into "may the border have the opportunity to be fucked".

-- Znode ^(talk) 22:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

"肏国界" is the best one so far. I haven't lived in China for about 10 years, so I don't know if it captures the mood of the phrase. But it means "fuck the border". -- infinity0 00:02, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

"borders are thought up by pigs" (closest approximation with any real insulting motive —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Infinity0 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Redux

I was speaking to a Chinese guy on IRC, and I got this info, any comments?

http://88.96.32.194/~spectre/chinese.txt

<BTMAN> these words can't be translated directly by cutting them from some full sentences
<BTMAN> in different sentences (maybe like different suitation) , they have different meanings,
<BTMAN> first, the word "fuck" in english is a derogatory term
<spectre> yeah this is correct
<BTMAN> but the first two words in 4 is usually a commendatory term
<BTMAN> i can translate these two sentences word by word, maybe you can understand something
<spectre> ok
<BTMAN> first: mother fucker, national border go to die
<BTMAN> sec: mother fuck, national border can go to die
<spectre> ok
<spectre> so how would you personally translate it ?
<BTMAN> chinese is not like english, one word can express varied meanings by putting in different sentences
<BTMAN> first, it's more like an slogan, battle cry
<spectre> slogan is fine
<spectre> the english is a slogan too
<BTMAN> it contain some commendatory emotion
<spectre> <BTMAN> first: mother fucker, national border go to die
<spectre> <BTMAN> sec: mother fuck, national border can go to die
<spectre> ^-- do these make sense
<spectre> can you understand what is meant by them?
<BTMAN> yes, I know these two sentences more like some one is abusing
<spectre> abusing ?
<spectre> what?
<BTMAN> abusing and offending people
<BTMAN> e.g.
<BTMAN> if someone offend me, and I am so angry then I will say "Fuck ***"
<spectre> ok
<spectre> so this is like "the national borders offend me, I am angry so "fuck the national borders""
<BTMAN> that should be the someone abusing others suitation
<BTMAN> yup, in some way , you can understand like that
<BTMAN> but, it's different suitaion in the sentence ONE
<spectre> ok, whats the situation there?
<BTMAN> what is your opinion about this word "rebel"
<spectre> well, depends what its rebelling against :)
<spectre> rebelling against national borders is good
<BTMAN> yup, rebelling for freedom for national
<spectre> for national borders or from national borders
<BTMAN> yes, the first sentence is in that good suitation
<BTMAN> for , not from
<spectre> ok
<BTMAN> e.g.
<BTMAN> I rebel for my country's independant, then I can say sentence ONE

I wasn't quite sure what "commendatory" meant and we couldn't quite crack it. If anyone wants to shed some light on this, cool :)

- FrancisTyers 23:46, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

I believe he meant "complimentary" or similar (antonym of derogatory). -- Znode ^(talk) 22:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Filipino and Danish

As you might have noticed, I just corrected the Danish version. 'The Border' in Danish is 'grænsen' with a Danish æ. The Filipino version, should be changed to: Putang inang border na yan -- Stereotek 05:26, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks :) - FrancisTyers 07:25, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Confirmation on the Danish from a Dane here. Mikkel 19:15, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Serbian and Croatian

Well, you could've asked, but... :)

Serbian: Зајеби границу / Јебеш границу Zajebi granicu / Jebeš granicu

Croatian: Zajebi granicu / Jebeš granicu

"Zajebi" and "Jebeš" are in this context synonims of Serbo-Croatian. The difference is very subtle, but the message is same :) --Dejan Čabrilo 4 July 2005 20:44 (UTC)

Hey, thanks :) I thought I'd already asked you about it! I'll move those into Confirmed now. - FrancisTyers 5 July 2005 08:24 (UTC)

No probs... though, you can probably use only, e.g. "Jebeš granicu" for both. I mean, the whole point is "fuck the border" :) --Dejan Čabrilo 5 July 2005 09:00 (UTC)

[edit] Italian

Can i suggest to you a better translation for this sentence in italian? Maybe "Fottitene dei limiti" signify in a more clear and accurate way its meaning. Bye --Kal-El☺^{post here!} 12:06, 24 July 2005 (UTC) (native italian speaker)

Thanks, I've updated the page :) - FrancisTyers 08:16, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm not a native speaker, but doesn't "confini" has a meaning closer to "state borders" ? I know it is always said "i confini d'Italia" for "Italian borders". bogdan ʤjuʃkə | ^Talk 08:36, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

You're right confini means "state borders" in italian, but we use confini also in figurative language to mean "limit" or "bound". That's 'cause i think a non literal - word for word - translantion is more exact and get the idea better. I hope to made myself clear and in correct language (i need more practice ^__^). Ciao --Kal-El☺^{post here!} 15:46, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Ok, thanks :) - FrancisTyers 16:04, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I confirm the Italian traslation "Fottitene dei limiti", it's perfect! --Timendum 16:18, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian

After talking with a friend online, the last hungarian suggestion was moved to "confirmed". The other two, for reference were: Francba a határokkal and Baszom a határokat . Apparently they all mean the same thing, but the last one is the one that he would think of first. Anyone who disagrees, mention it here :) - FrancisTyers 17:23, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] English

In English shouldn't it be "Fuck the Borders"? --Connel MacKenzie 08:34, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Interesting point, and something I've been thinking about. The original page was conceived as a translation of the title of the Propagandhi song. However after reading the lyrics, it appears that although the content of the song does specifically attack all borders, the song seems to be about the Mexican-USA frontier in particular. Although in English, it works but perhaps slightly clumsily ("Fuck the Border" can be taken to mean any border) it does make things slightly confusing in other languages. Of course, if it were to be made plural, I'd probably have to drop the "the". "Fuck the Borders" doesn't sound quite right. I'd be open to suggestions. - FrancisTyers 18:54, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, perhaps because I've spent a lot of time in both Southern California and Republic of Ireland, I feel this way: "Fuck the border" is a much more evocative phrase than "Fuck the borders" or "Fuck borders". "The border" suggests an intimate acquantaince with a given border, a feeling that the border impinges on your life in a real and regrettable way, and you want the goddamn thing gone. "Fuck borders" sounds much more abstract and political, and not nearly so potent. But at the same time "fuck the border" does not exclude the possibility of broader political goals...it just suggests that those goals would be born of first hand experience, rather than out of a book. I say don't change it at all. Babajobu 04:13, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Right, it's a cry for freedom, and "fuck the border" serves that purpose good. --Dejan Čabrilo 07:11, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dutch and Flemish

I've been speaking to someone online and apparently the second Dutch saying was better. Also, it would be the same in Flemish. I don't feel the need to add Flemish as a second language unless it is different, so unless someone knows a colloquial Flemish way of saying "fuck the border", I'll just leave the Dutch. - FrancisTyers 20:13, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bengali

Spoken to someone from Bangladesh at a Norwich Anarchist Students meeting. Apparently the Bengali would be:

এশমআ ছএন ছএন

e sh maw ah ch e n ch e n (Transliteration into English)

Literally translating to "Border don't want don't want". Unfortunately it was written down in what I can assume is Bengali handwriting not block letters, so I've had to approximate it here. If anyone can confirm that its right/wrong I'd be very grateful. - FrancisTyers 15:19, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok, that was wrong (it's quite hard for me to transcribe from handwriting to "computer writing"), updated version;

ষকীমকাণকা চকাই চকাই

Hope its right this time :) - FrancisTyers 20:46, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Both of the above fragments don't mean anything in Bengali. Not even a single word of it, I'd guess someone pulled a joke on you here :D. Anyway, in Bengali, Border = সীমান্ত (To view the unicoded text in Bengali correctly, view them in a unicode compliant Pango-enabled firefox, or in IE). The pronunciation of সীমান্ত would be (she-maan-tow) (the t is a soft-t). Thanks. --Ragib 21:27, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I produced the above version by copy/pasting from the Bengali script page, so its quite likely I made an error ;) Thanks for the translation of border, is the "don't want don't want" correct, or would there be another way of writing/expressing it? Many thanks, - FrancisTyers 21:51, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Still working on trying to get the "don't want" part... - FrancisTyers 02:41, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

So I set up Bangla keyboard layout on my computer, with Ankur transliterated input and I got:

েপাাসোোলূদৈ মপাল মপাল

- FrancisTyers 18:51, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the Bangla text still looks gibberish. :( --Ragib 20:38, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Not surprising :) Can you provide a complete translation? Would "Border don't want don't want" be the way it would be expressed in Bengali, or would there be an other way of expressing it? - FrancisTyers 20:59, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok, let me know what you exactly want? Something like "To hell with borders" or "we don't want borders"? --Ragib 23:49, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Both is good, ideally the more offensive the better, but anything that means "fuck the border", "down with borders", "destroy the borders", "against borders". In English, the "border" can be singular, in Bengali it might need to be plural as in French. The most important thing is the message :) e.g. in German: "shit on the border", in Armenian "to hell with the borders", in Hebrew "stick your cock in the border" etc. The best way in your language :) - FrancisTyers 08:30, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok, here you go: "পৃথিবীর সব সীমান্ত জাহান্নামে যাক" (a transliteration would be "Prithibeer shawb sheemanto jahannam a jaak": a translation would be "all the borders of the world go to hell". Thanks. --Ragib 09:39, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Awesome, thankyou very much :) - FrancisTyers 12:01, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

From my point of view, "পৃথিবীর সব সীমান্ত জাহান্নামে যাক" (May all the borders of the world go to hell) is the perfect translation in bangla, expressing the agitation correctly while keeping the soft and smooth nature of bangla laguage. I support this translation. Auyon03:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I support that. Amazing, I've been speaking Bengali for 18 years, and I'm still not sure if there's a word for "fuck". Oh well, we live and learn... it'll turn up. By the way, I'm changing [[Bengali]] to [[Bengali language|Bengali]], if you don't mind. — riana_dzasta • t • c • e • 15:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kurdish

I've just inputted the Kurdish in the correct character set. This is a Kurdish from East Kurdistan and so is written in the arabic alphabet. The transliterated forms will be here for a record: Snoorakash (hudoodakash) bedje / Qoona soonrakat bedji - FrancisTyers 21:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

In Kurdish (Kurmancî) you might say "Navê sînoran nim." But I am not good in curses. --Erdal Ronahi 14:29, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks very much :) - FrancisTyers 16:09, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bosnian

Just confirming that it would be "Jebeš granicu". Live Forever 07:17, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, as I thought its the same as the Serbian and the Croatian and I can bet the Montenegrin and Zlatiborian are the same :) Instead of cluttering up the page with two versions of the same thing I'll just put both languages next to each other if thats ok by you? - FrancisTyers 14:38, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion on livejournal

Here: http://www.livejournal.com/community/linguaphiles/2120037.html (Spanish, Icelandic, Norwegian, French, Tok Pisin) - FrancisTyers 20:00, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ukrainian

For Ukrainian, I can offer "До холєри з границею" (transliterated Do kholiery z hranytseyu, literally "to cholera with the border"), which will probably sound quaintly archaic, at best, to anyone from Ukraine (I grew up in Canada, a son of Galician parents). Cheers. —Michael Z. 2005-12-27 06:07 Z

[edit] Malayalam

അതിര്ത്തി is border. നാശമ് is saying something is bad or you have negative feelings to it. informal. so നാശമ് അതിര്ത്തി. though i feel like a five year old saying it... making it plural. sounded better to me.

[edit] Awesome!

This is great! I didn't know you were a radical (you kept your mouth closed most of the time during our mediation on the anarchist page). That's a great song too. The Ungovernable Force 05:49, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian

Գրողի ծոցը գնա սահմանը: (Armenian) This is more like 'Damn the border'; therefore, inaccurate and not even plural.

Քունեմ սահմանները: - I'll fuck the borders. Քունում ենք սահմանները: - We are fucking the borders. Քունենք սահմանները: - Lets fuck the borders. Քունի սահմանները: - This literally means fuck the borders, but is directed towards one person. Քունեկ սահմանները: - Fuck the borders, directed towards multiple people.

However, as another user told you already, the word fuck in Armenian is very taboo among average blue collar people and is mostly used by men, odds are if you use it front of a female you will be attacked by an angry mob :) --Eupator 18:42, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: French & Romanian

Well, I'm not sure what to say... because for me, native Romanian speaker, Fuck the border & Fuck the borders is not the same thing! And the original is singular, not plural. But if several people told you it should be plural, so be it (they might be right & I might be wrong), so feel free to revert me! :) I didn't realize you were learning Romanian, but keep up the good work! If you've got some other things & I'm not around & nobody rereads them (but usually there is someone round the clock RC patrolling ;) feel free to add it on my user page (I've got a section with articles to proof-read (you'll see some marked with "strike", those have been read). --Vlad 01:40, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, you were completely right, and I was completely wrong! Thank you for taking the time to explain! Next time I'll try harder to grasp the concept instead of looking simply at the form and trying to translate it mechanically... On the other hand, being lazy, I've asked User:Orioane to revert my edit! --Vlad 19:36, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Estonian and Esperanto

The two E-languages are both correct. The Estonian translation literally reads "to the ass all borders", but that's the usual way of saying things in Estonian. :) The Esperanto is a literal version of the English and also OK. PeepP 21:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Urban Transylvanian

The Urban Transylvanian Romanian "Fute-ţi-ai graniţele!" is correct. Singural would be "Fute-ţi-ai graniţa". Ronline ✉ 12:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lojban

I suggested the Lojban, "terkorgretro .i'enaicai.", which I translated myself. It literally means "extreme disapproval toward the controlled border (i.e., that-which-is-controlled-by-boundary-controllers)". See http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/korgretro . Note that the ' is pronounced like an "h", the c is pronounced like a "sh", and the periods are basically silent; everything else is basically the same as in the average European language (the e's are usually fairly short). - Nat Krause^(Talk!) 23:59, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welsh

The suggestions for a Welsh version on your page at the moment all border on gibberish. How about Twll din y ffin? It rhymes, it makes grammatical sense, and it deliberately recalls the rather wonderful slogan twll din y Cwîn I saw on a T-shirt once. [talk to the] HAM 18:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tagalog / Filipino

Great list of translations! hah. For the Tagalog one, I would probably say putanginang border. Putangina is like puta madre (whore mother) in Spanish but it's the strongest and most commonly used cussword in Tagalog; so the meaning is like "fucking border." The first two translations you have are fine, but they include the demonstrative "that" (na yan) so "that fucking border. The first translation is a contraction of putangina while the last translation is missing a linker.

Another possibility is kesehoda ang border, which is derived from Spanish que se joda - but it seems to me that people over the age of 60 use this word. Also, if you prefer, the Tagalog word for border is hangganan, but people are more apt to use the English word. Also, I would label it as Tagalog rather than Filipino. --Chris S. 01:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hindi

I would say the Hindi is correct, too. — riana_dzasta • t • c • e • 15:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :) - FrancisTyers · 16:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it's the first one, but then again, I haven't spoken Hindi in about 5 years, and it was sketchy even at the best of times :p So I'd sit on it. Still, I like where your list is going. — riana_dzasta • t • c • e • 03:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Both are wrong. The correct one is "सीमा को चोदो" The addition of "ओं" "सीमाओंं" would mean a plural form of the word i.e. borders. Am not signing, coz its an insulting, trashy & unparliamentary word in hindi language, not used in a civil society.

Yes, it's naughty. Dx — riana_dzasta • t • c • e • ER • 00:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Swedish

Skit i gränsen alright, although I'd rather say Åt helvete med gränsen - while that would literally translate to "To hell with the border", it's closer than the current literal translation "Shit on the border" (or something like that). Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 22:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] more Spanish

• Que se joda la frontera [lit. may the border be fucked]
• A la mierda con la frontera [lit. to shit with the border]

–Andyluciano 22:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

In Cuba we have no frontiers. Only water us apart from the rest of the world. And most of people can't flight or sail out by our political restrictions. By the way, when we refers to something that makes no odds, we shout, for example "Al diablo las fronteras" / "Pal' carajo las fronteras" / "Pa' la mierda las fronteras" (Note: "Pal" and "Pa" uses a lot in Cuba as acronym of "Para + spanish defined article" ZorphDark

[edit] Latina

Fines perfutue. (N 3 3 NOM means signifies noun, 3rd declension, nominative case. PRES ACT IMP) signifies present tense, active voice, imperative mood.)--Josh Rocchio 23:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

What do you need more for confirmation? Phd students citing a highly reputable dictionary isn't enough these days?--Ioshus^(talk) 03:30, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Persian, Pashto and Tajiki

The Persian and Pashto ones literally mean, Fuck the Border. I saw three unconfirmed Tajiki phrases, since I speak the same dialect, the first one I think is more correct which means, Fuck border. While the other two both mean, I've fucked border.

Casimiri 01:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Finnish

Hello, nice page you got going here... I changed the offered Finnish translation ('Rajat vittuun') to a more correct one. 'Rajat vittuun' means sth akin to 'to hell with (all) the borders' whereas 'Vitut rajasta' refers to one single border (sth like 'I don't give a fuck about the border'). --Neofelis Nebulosa (моє обговорення) 07:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the input :) I'm actually probably looking for the plural. The idea of the phrase/slogan is "down with all national borders". So although in English, we can say "fuck the border (as an idea)" in the singular, it is not always the same with other languages. Should 'border' be singular or plural in Finnish? - Francis Tyers · 16:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

That would be Vitut rajoista. Trondtr 21:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC).

Hi, now that you told me what the idea behind the phrase is, the original (Rajat vittuun) is the most correct. So it should indeed be plural in Finnish. To me, Trondtr's offering doesn't mean the same, it's more like 'I don't give a fuck about the borders' (but it doesn't hold the idea that the person wants all borders to come down). Anyhow, I think this is excellent usage of Wikipedia space :), keep it up. --Neofelis Nebulosa (моє обговорення) 13:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish

Hmm :)) "Sınırları sikerim".. I suppose that would be it.. Baristarim 19:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. For Turkish I currently have "Sınırları sikeyim" could you tell me the difference between that and "Sınırları sikerim" ? - Francis Tyers · 19:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi! "... sikeyim" is in the subjunctive mode. Indicates a wish to fuck the borders. But "... sikerim" is in the 'simple present tense' of Turkish. It indicates rather... hmm... that you have the capability, capacity (?), or 'habit' to fuck the borders. The latter mode ("... sikerim")is used also when threatening someone (Threatening to fuck the borders in this context.) Also note that in the Turkish version, 'border' part of the sentence is in plural form. I mean, it is literally "Fuck the borders!". The singular form is "Sınırı sikeyim!" And it becomes "X-Y sınırını sikeyim!" if you are talking about a particular border between two particular countries. Such as "ABD-Kanada sınırını sikeyim!" ("F. the US-Canada border"). But I think subjunctive mode with plural "borders" gives the sense better than all the rest. Sınırları sikeyim! Okan 18:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Greek

Γαμό τα σύνορα. english phonetics: gammo ta senora

(UNFanatic 20:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Norwegian

Your listed "Til helvete med.."' doesn't quite translate the impact and feels dated, as suggestions of going to hell go.. I'd say Føkk grensa which is sufficiently strong, contemporary and rebellious  ;) —MURGH ^disc. 12:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Thats presumably in the singular? Would that make sense as a statement in Norwegian? Also would it be the same in Bokmål and Nynorsk ? — I figure those are just written registers, but I'm not sure... - Francis Tyers · 17:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)