Talk:Franz Ferdinand (band)
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[edit] New Fan Site link
I added our link: www.franzferdinandfans.co.uk to the link section because I think if the link of our forum is already at the official site of ff, we also should be linked here!
Thank you!
With friendly greetings! The Admin of www.franzferdinandfans.co.uk
[edit] Contemporaries
Is there really any need for this section? --InShaneee 03:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't see why not, it helps to place them within the context of a particular musical scene. 195.195.166.41 19:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- But this isn't done for most other artists, and there's it's original research what artists they resemble. --InShaneee 14:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- Amen. I chucked it.--Esprit15d 18:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removed two sections
I boldly removed the "influences" section, since Wikipedia prefers prose over lists, and it was already mentioned in the body of the article. I also removed "contemporaries" since that is an incredibly subjective and unmanageable list.--Esprit15d 17:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Prose? Explain.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.228.53.251 (talk • contribs) .
- Prose is complete sentences written out. For example Wikipedia prefers "Joe Blow has three kids: Sally, Tommy and Jenny" over a subheading that says "Jow Blow's kids" and then three bullets with the three children. This is an encyclopedia; that what separates us from sites like IMDB. Lists aren't bad, just to be avoided. --Esprit15d 17:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Good article tract?
This article look to me like it is on it's way to becoming a good article. It still needs some work on being written more like and article and less cut and pasted together. And also that notes section needs to be massively expanded. Many of the inline html references could probably be exanded into full notes. Anyone else have any idea?--Esprit15d 18:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps a little more on their history and their style?
[edit] Interviews as potential sources
Franz Ferdinand interviews with Nardwuar of Canada's Much_Music area available for using as reference in the event anyone is interested. -- Xinit 19:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
There are many live person interview on the free video sharing website www.youtube.com. Just search for "franz ferdinand interview" and you should find some good clips. (DJ EIK)
[edit] External Links and Fan sites
Regarding http://www.hostmybb.com/phpbb/?mforum=franzferdinand primarily. This link is being re-added by User:Chrisko692, who would appear to be the maintainer of the claimed "Official Franz Ferdinand Forum". I've removed it as it seems to be low traffic, and of a non-official or notable status, in addition to being a fansite and being submitted by the maintainer of the site.
Please check WP:EL and WP:3RR for further information, and please do comment here before replacing the link again.
Thanks -- Xinit 20:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Here is the official site: http://www.franzferdinand.co.uk/. Enjoy. (DJ EIK)
[edit] Pronunciation
Is this really necessary? I think it's pretty self evident how their name is to be pronounced, and it doesn't really matter anyway. 195.195.166.31 16:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
What harm is it doing besides being useful.143.238.251.149 09:30, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Bob is pronounced B-o-B (bawb). Anything else? (lol, DJ EIK)
- Oh dear. Franz Ferdinand is Franzz Fur-din-and elevenzeroonnechat / what i've done / email 20:07, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Nick McCarthy
In one part of the article it says he's the rhythm guitarist but in another it says he's lead guitarist. Which one's correct? --82.152.193.49 20:23, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I put him in as a rhythm guitarist in the intro, because he is. All melodic, non-strummed riffs and solos are by alex, all strummed and rhythm parts are by nick. Take the opening riff of nick in this fire...it is rhythm. Now take the solo in 40'...it is lead.143.238.251.149 09:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I always thought of Nick McCarthy as the main guitarist. Alex always seems to kinda scive (I apologise if that's not how it's spelt!)a bit. But I suppose he is the rhythm guitarist really although he's described as the lead guitarist on their official website.
That is true, but on seeing them live, alex does al.ot more then people think. But then again, I am a drummer, and so Im not really qualified to make that decision. We need a guitarist to decide. 139.168.78.1 03:00, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm a guitarist. :) I'm not an expert on who plays what in Franz Ferdinand however, so I'll try to provide an answer that will help you all decide for yourselves. You'll probably find that he is both a lead and rhythm guitarist. Most guitar players switch between playing rhythm (exactly what it describes - forming a rhythm and usually a kind of 'base chord' to give the song an overall key) and lead (this can encompass melodic phrases such as riffs right through to full blown guitar solos). So you'll probably agree that he would be better classed as a guitarist than trying to pin him down to one of the above classifications.
From that I consider him rhythmic. 203.51.101.76 01:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Nich is mostly the rhythm guitar. Check out their fansite. Alex does mostly the solo (along with lead vocals), but has some rhythm parts as well when Nick sings (like "Fabulously Lazy" or "Van Tango"). (DJ EIK)
[edit] Genre
Franz Ferdinand are a pop band as they have so bluntly stated themselves, Alex saying he's not ashamed of it. Still a lot of people like to call thenart rock, or basically just rock. I wanted to chnage this in the article, but I just created my account and don't know how. Still, I thought I'd just put it out there.
- If the band calls itself 'pop', then that only means...that the band considers itself pop. Nothing more, nothing less.. they can still be a rockband, they just don't call themselves that.—♦♦ SʘʘTHING(Я) 07:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
They are not a pop band, but Americans like to call them (and that's why Alex said that) BritPop. They are actually indie, modern British rock, and a fuse of alternative rock. They could be compared to Arctic Monkeys and Hard-Fi as well. (DJ EIK)
In my opinion, the seld-titled alkbum is art pop or art dance. The 2nd album is Indy rock.138.130.150.243 01:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
- The article namespace of Wikipedia is not about opinions of editors, but opinions of non-trivial sources.—♦♦ SʘʘTHING(Я) 16:27, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I think they use the word pop to point out that they do not have a heavy/hard sound, rather than to distance themselves form the art rock/alternative community. Art rock is probably the best description, given their musical innovation (sure, they plundered the 80s, but they were the first to do it), style/design sense, foundation around Glasgow's Art College and their original "scene." Art pop is not label I've ever heard used - I think it's one of these encyclopedian's convenient constructions. Finally the two albums are definitely not dissimilar enough to be put in seperate genres (especially seeing as the first was one of the great kickstarts of the current UK indie community. 195.195.166.31 17:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Im not saying that, there genre is Indy rock. I was giving my two cents, that if you really want to be almost irrationally accurate, then one album is a mixture art music and pop music, whilst the second album is more accurately indy rock. Its just like when you say revolver is rock'n'roll, and Srgt Peppers is acid rock. All albums have differing qualities, but the general vibe is indy rock/art rock. I nver suggested that the albums should be individually treated in the genre section, I was merely provided an accurate outline. Its funny that only now Im argueing my point, I said it 5 or so months ago.138.130.150.243 01:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
If it's any help they've posted recently on their site saying that they're definatly pop and always have been. I personally disagree, but that's what they want people to think. Does that help at all? BK 13th March 07
[edit] Neatness and Such
Hey, I just cleaned this up a bit and moved the sections around a bit, to get them in a more coherent order and all.
[edit] horse vs. archduke
Hey guys, I was reading a biography of Franz Ferdinand that is featured on it's website that states that they were named after a racehorse, so i fixed it. if you have proof that this is innacurate tell me.
I read in an article that they named themselves Franz Ferdinand because the archduke changed the world and they want to change the world through their music. It talks about it here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4971318 I didn't find anything on the official site about it thoug
I've have read that they were watching a horse race and they saw a horse named the archduke. This started a conversation about archduke Franz Ferdinand. So really both of you are correct.
[edit] British or Scottish?
I've noticed a lot of edits changing "Franz Ferdinand are a Scottish rock band" to "Franz Ferdinand are a British rock band", and vice versa. Maybe we should decide on one of the two and leave a message on the main page using the <!--hidden message--> tags asking not to change it to avoid pointless edits. What do you all think? --[kazikame] 22:46, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Great plan, if you can prove either way! They live in Scotland, but they weren't born there one even brought up in Munich. If you can get people to agree which one they are then good idea if not then British stops the argument. BK
You guys are absolutely right. What people mean is that they live and write most of their songs in Glasgow, Scotland, which is part of the UK. A lot of people mistake the UK as Britian or England. Therefore some think they are just British. They are Scottish (as a band), but each one was born in a city in England! So the people in the band are English, but the band is Scottish (because they formed it while attending universities in Glasgow)! They are really cool, so it doesn't matter, but just for clarification. (DJ EIK)
- Heh - I didn't notice this discussion before reverting an anonymous user's change from Scottish to British. Can those of you familiar with this please ensure that related articles are also consistent with whatever you decide for this article. For example, You Could Have It So Much Better and Franz Ferdinand (album). Thanks. Mindmatrix 15:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
This came up on a channel 4 program about them. Paul said that although they aren't from Scotland, they say that the band was born in Glasgow. He said that when someone asks him where they're from, he's not going to name the birth place of every single member, but of the band. Glasgow. Scotland.
[edit] Indie rock?
What's with the Genre being indie rock? Has noone else noticed that the are on Epic, which is owned by Sony BMG? MXMissles 21:58, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Their musical style is still indie rock, even if they aren't on an indie label. Plus, in their home country, the UK, they are on an indie label. --[kazikame] 22:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
You are right, but they are signed to an indie label called "Domino Records", along with artists such as Arctic Monkeys and Test Icicles. I, personally do not like the label indie, because everyone was indie at a point or another. This is just a phase due to their recording company/label. The music is alternative rock, or modern British rock. (DJ EIK)
if you take indie as a genre, i don't think it matters if were they're signed... just aslong there music sounds indie. -- Band B 19:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bob Hardy
It says that Bob Hardy is the bass player but he also does backing vocals though not often. Anyone else seen that so I can change it? Also (although not Bob Hardy) don't you think we should have a piece at least mentioning Andy Knowles their part-time keyboardist? He's not officially a member but he does go on tour with them sometimes and is seen in the video for Walk Away.
- I've seen Bob sing occasionally when live.144.131.69.7 06:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
He plays a Rickenbacker Bass. He is cool and very British. Rock on!
Very true. He made me take up bass!
[edit] Main Image
The main image on the right column is pretty unclear and fuzzy, surely a band promo shot of all four members would be better?
80.6.126.38 19:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
- No, because our policy states that we can only use unfree images when it's not possible to create free alternatives. --Abu Badali 02:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Neo-Nazi thing
At the bottom of Trivia, it says 3 of the band are known neo-nazi supporters. Is this true? There is no citation and is could be considered defamatory if not true.
James
Mmmm, I found nothing talking about it on ze intarweb and a blog post on their site condemns the neo nazis, so i'll be removing it. 75.35.217.8 01:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
whoops, 75.35.217.8 is me =X Maxwellstragedy 01:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
- I think it was just some bizarre vandalism. Giacomodalsace 20:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Homosexual?
The song "Michael" makes me wonder, are some members of the band gay? I am pretty sure that at least one of them has a wife. If anyone knows they could try to clear it up please.Random12345123123123 03:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok. Paul has a wife and a young kid. Nick is also married but more recently. Alex has a long-term girlfrien (eleanor put your boots on), but has said that he doesn't really care whether his partner is male or female, so I don't know whether he was trying to cause a bit of controversy or was being honest, and Bob doesn't have a girlfriend or a boyfriend. He hasn't said anything either way so who knows about him! Hope this helps to clear it up a bit.
- Agreed. They're just playing gender roles like Morrissey did before them. --CountCrazy007 05:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
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- The song is about a friend of the band, Michael Kasparis. [1] <-- Scrolls down to the part about Michael. 217.211.211.182 13:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Thanks for asking rather then stating i.e. being polite. A little while ago there was some kinda rude comments, so thanks for being polite! b_k 5 February 2007
Does anyone mind if we keep this conversation posted here for a little while. I think that if we leave it on here then people won't need to keep asking as this subject/question keep re-appearing. Anyone else agree? b_k 19 march 2007
[edit] article needs clean-up
I'm sorry but I have to say this article is poorly written, it has vandalism all over ("Franz Ferdinand is sheet ?") and the same facts are repeated numerous times (for exemple that thing about Kayne West loving the band). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.211.94.127 (talk) 17:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Idefinate break?
Is the statement saying that they revealed planning to take an idefinate break actually true? They are doing a sound track to a film but don't have any gigs. Any backup I did actually think it was a rumour.
Thanks for removing this section. They're busy in Glasgow writing new songs. I'm pleased to say they're very much alive! B_K 19 march 2007
[edit] Synthesizer type machine.
On a YCHISMB extra video they talked about this synthesizer type device that they use and there are only three of them in the world. One is in a museum, one is with a collector, and they have the third. Anyone know what it is? (it should be added to the article. --Plankton5005 08:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC))
Yep, it's an Ackuset! On their official website under videos, there's a piece about it called things we've been getting up to #3. check it out.
Yes, an Ackuset is a Swedish music mixer/recorder. It is very rare and is only owned by them (a usable one). It's almost broken, so they barely use it. But it's still sweet! (DJ EIK)
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