Talk:Franciscan
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[edit] Recent news
If a TV newspiece I just saw turns out to be accurate, the Franciscans have just lost much of their administrative authonomy, in a reversal of Pope Paul VI's 1969 decision. If someone has hard data, it is worth including in the article. Luis Dantas 10:02, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Sort of
No not their whole autonomy. They lost full control of the Basilica in Assisi. Rome has upheld the rights of the local diocesan bishop (a non-Franciscan) over the territory in which the order exists (which is not necessarily good for the order). This is part of a worldwide movement in Catholicism (accelerating under Pope Benedict) to strengthen the role of the local bishops (as contrasted with the alleged ultramontanist tendencies of John Paul II). It seems to be having a mixture good and bad effects.
On another matter of rampant sexism and the promoted inivisibilty of Catholic women- "Franciscan" does not simply refer to the order of Friars Minor. It never has. See the article I have been expanding on the Augustinians for a comparison. The same principle holds. There are a lots of Franciscan orders (WOMEN and MEN) , and the friars minor is simply the main game (not the whole game); like the order of friars in the AUgustinians is the main game, but not the whole story. What about St Clare of Assisi? Wasn't she a Franciscan?! Puhlease!!! I'll be back to work on this. Cor Unum 11:32, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] shortening the article
This article is generating a warning of being 40 kB. How about forking off a separate article on The Rule of St Francis, and moving there the discussion of the development of the rule and testament (leaving a brief summary and link here)? Myopic Bookworm 13:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- Agree, rules deserve article of their own Zelmerszoetrop 23:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV
Some of the text under "Three Rules" appears to be work of a single researcher critiquing the work of other researchers. Particuarly in "The First Rule," the views of some experts are not defended at all, but merely brushed aside. Wasn't sure if this was original research or closely copied from a prof., but seems NPOV. Zelmerszoetrop 23:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] China?
The Timeline of Chinese history page says Franciscans were working in China in the 1200s. Can that possibly be accurate? That seems crazy early to me. Carl 04:22, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
It is absolutely true, and well documented. A small group of them were there -- this was, after all, Marco Polo's time, so contact with "cathay" was not unknown. However, they died out and were not replaced. In the 1600s Matteo Ricci, a Jesuit, arrived.HarvardOxon 23:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
