Talk:Francesco Totti

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I think i new picture is needed. That picture barely captures what he even looks like. And contains a second person.

Contents 1 Lack of NPOV ? 2 Personal Info 3 Sorry 4 new image 5 Disciplinary actions 6 Jimmy Wales would be spinning in his grave if he read this article 7 POV tags 8 New Image?

[edit] Lack of NPOV ?

• "when he received his second yellow card for un-existent penalty area diving"
• "Unhappily, in the 2001/02 campaign Roma finished runners-up to Juventus"

un-existent? who are you to say? penalty is...when referee blow the whistle. isn't it? a little lack of NPOV I think. Unhappily for who? for him? for you? I don't think it's so important if it's been happily or unhappily...maybe specify for who. --necronudist 16:48, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Info

I am going to delete the section about Totti's personal life because he is not married to elton john. --smokie81 Dec. 10/05

[edit] Sorry

I added some information about his chaildhood, personal life and additioanl information. As well as some deep information about his last season.

If i had some wrong words in spielling, please correct it for me.

It's okay, I've corrected some mistakes and you added a lot of useful info.Burning phoneix 10:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] new image

I hope you'll like the new image...

[edit] Disciplinary actions

any reason this doesn't touch on his various bans for serious foul play? i.e. stomping on chests after being tackled? FordTuffinIt 14:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)…

I would guess that it has to do with the lack of articles in English that could be used as a refrence. I've looked around but haven't found much. Perhaps someone who could read Italian could find something.....Highly Calculated 05:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jimmy Wales would be spinning in his grave if he read this article

Serious POV/style issues - as it is, the article reads more like fanboy writing than an encyclopedia entry. It would behoove editors who wrote this article to read: WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:PEACOCK. I don't want to be uncivil, but this article is a joke. Totti is a creative attacker or midfielder that shows perfect vision and not only is he a fantastic athlete but he is renowned for his superb technique and knowledge of the game. - seriously?

So where do we start salvaging this article? Ytny 12:35, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

If somebody can define, as you did, Takayuki Morimoto a young Ronaldo, then everything is possible!!! Totti is generally considered one of the best players in the world. If you don't agree, this doesn't allow you to put labels of infamity on this page. Are you an administrator or what? By the way Jimmy Wales is safe and sound... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.52.97.206 (talk • contribs).

Apples and oranges. I didn't compare Morimoto to Ronaldo; I quoted an independent and respected observer who did (and he said, as I noted, that Morimoto's size and speed made him comparable to Ronaldo, not the quality or results). Big difference. So yeah, my criticism of this article still stands.

If he is "generally considered one of the best players in the world" (which I agrew with - when did i ever say I didn't?), then how hard would it be to find a neutral, reputable observer say so? Or find some objective criteria that makes the point? Ytny 06:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV tags

Okay, what's it going to take to get these tags off of the top of this page? I would like for Ytny to please provide us with specific areas of the text that should be fixed or you find objectionable. It just seems that nothing is being done and if you can give me specific areas to make more neutral then I can try my best, I just want those tags to be taken off of the page at some point. -KingPenguin 16:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have been clearer - I tried to start the discussion above at Talk:Francesco Totti#Jimmy Wales would be spinning in his grave if he read this article. It's been a while since I went through the entire article, but the introduction definitely comes off like a fanzine, i.e. "Totti is celebrated for his powerful finish" (WP:Peacock).

Basically, any opinion or subjective claim that is unsourced, like "beautiful" and "considered to be" need to go, and the footnote "In defense of Totti, Poulsen has developed a reputation for a dirty player." is blatantly POV. Ytny 21:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've tried to make it more neutral, I'll let you judge the article now and remove the tags if you think it's fixed. -KingPenguin 00:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

What if we report that Poulsen had been recognized as a provoker? And if this line is POV, what about "Snotti"?--Kwame Nkrumah 08:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

In general, please mark exactly what you do not like. And, furthermore, do not revert blindly, you removed other uncontroversial edits. --Kwame Nkrumah 08:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Now what did I remove that was uncontroversial? All I changed was the opening paragraph, the defense of Poulsen, and changed one line that said "an impressive number [of goals] for a midfielder", nothing else. A long time ago I also removed some of the additional information because it was redundant in the article. Totti's my favorite player, I'm just trying to end this dispute. -KingPenguin 10:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I was talking to Ytny, and indented my edit accordingly (increase the indent level of one when you answer to someone, it will be clearer to whom you are answering).--Kwame Nkrumah 13:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Image?

Why was the Image changed? We had a recent one with him winning the Worldcup, this new pic isnt recent at all and I dont want to ever accidently look at a males crotch while there legs are open. So new image or no? Can we have a pic of him actually on the pitch? I wanted to ask before I changed it.

Because this image is copyright-verifiable and the last one was deleted because it infringed on copyright. If you're going to change the image then make sure either you took the photo or you have permission from someone who did or else it will be quickly deleted due to the high traffic that goes across this page. -KingPenguin 13:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)