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[edit] Your images

Hi, here's a guide to uploading images and how to place them on pages. I've added licensing info to the Ashley pic, but the one of the 'Top Model', still needs licensing info. I'll resize the 2 you've recently placed, but another editor may remove them soon because of the licensing information. All images on Wikipedia need to be licensed, in order for us to be allowed to use them. Can you please add info as to where you got that image from? Feel free to ask me if you have any questions. Thanks. tv316 07:13, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you.

[edit] Possibly unfree Image:Mickiechamp.jpg

-SCEhardT 01:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks can u help me, coz I am new to wikipedia. I got it from wwe.com, please help me if you can!

STOP ADDING "FAN" MOVES THEY ARE NOT THE REAL NAMES YOU ARE A VANDAL AND POWER HUNGRY PLEASE STOP

[edit] Melina Perez

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We appreciate your contributions to the Melina Perez article, but we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material. Perhaps you would like to rewrite the article in your own words. For more information, take a look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Happy editing! --LBMixPro^{<Speak|on|it!>} 08:06, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks and no problem. I see that you've been interested in Pro wrestling articles. You might wanna check out the Pro wrestling WikiProject, a group of people who share the same interest, and share ideas and resources. --LBMixPro^{<Speak|on|it!>} 05:45, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks I'll definately check it out! Fr3nZi3 19:46, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Signature moves

you must understand what is deamed a signature move a Schoolgirl roll up and other generic moves for girls spear takedown followed by punches/slaps isnt signature nor is a move which a person performs once in one match considered signature... well noted move which are closely associated with a wrestler are considered signature... i.e. the Monkey Flip being it was the very first move she used to display her wrestling abillity and a move she would go on to frequently use, and i will agree La Magistral Pin is also a move to keep. --- Paulley

also move naming... moves should be in lower case, also "High Crossbody" that is not a name she has esspecially given the move... its not like she is using the boston crab and callling the "Walls of Jericho" so it should not be displayed as such --- Paulley

Fair enough, though id like to see her in a couple more real matches so she can really develope a move list --- Paulley 19:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

All we need now is Molly Holly and we will have are selfs a fully fledged women's divison... oh how i miss Molly --- Paulley 19:37, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

True, Melina along with Jillian Hall... (ohh i like her... why JBL, why fire her... thats the only mistake that great american has ever made)... wait i got side traked where were we oh yes... real women wrestlers... yea Hall was really good in the indy cicuit... WWE need to utilize the women wrestlers... maybe bring in for british female wrestlers (id love to see Erin Angel or Nikita kick some diva butt) -- Paulley

As for the draft lottery, it will happen whenever Vince thinks WWE needs a shake up... so that could be at anytime... and Melina's Kyra gimmick was good esspecially as she had a large variaty of moves... i would like to see MNM go over to RAW just to see Melina as champ and have MNM win the real WWE tag titles --- Paulley

I like Smackdown, there not afraid to try new things... i doubt MNM would have been such a big thing if they debuted on RAW... i mean nitro was there for a couple of weeks and he couldnt even figure out a good name (well, until Nitro) --- Paulley

RAW and SmackDown are very different brands when you really look at it... i always thought it was a good thing splitting the two apart but its always good to see thing shuffle about with the draft and such -- Paulley

Nikita has just signed with WWE... Kick Ass! Kick Ass! whoo hoo! ---- Paulley

The Women's division is getting a little push at the moment... all good --- Paulley

[edit] PLEASE ASSIST, WRESTLING FANS OF WIKIPEDIA

Me and the soon to be departing (hopefully not) Moe Epsilon are setting up a project to deal with the music of this great business. It will be Wikipedia:WikiProject Music of wrestling. Join if you are remotely interested - every little helps! Thanks. Kingfisherswift 17:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mickie James

Trish has only gone to ringside to support her twice since she has joined, that isnt classed as managing someone. I've only removed it ONCE so to ask me to stop deleting it is wrong. Lil crazy thing 07:39, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Jerry Lawler called Mickie's hurricanrana Mickie-canrana...when she had the rematch with Lita and Mickie does use Missile Dropkicks in her matches.

[edit] Trish Stratus

I reverted your addition of the criticism section again If you're going to put a criticism section, you'd better back it up by Citing reliable sources. Thanks. --Jtalledo (talk) 00:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Melina

Theres nothing wrong with the picture at all i like it, but it doesnt matter if people dont like it its her up to date picture as her appearence has changed. Lil crazy thing 05:04, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proof Mickie James Posed Nude

It's widely known amongst almost every wrestling fan online that Mickie posed nude before. I already posted a link to these photos on Mickie's talk page as proof, but I guess you didn't look there. This page has links to most of Mickie's nude photos that are clearly labeled by R.B. Kane: http://forum.phun.org/archive/index.php/t-79067.html

So, please stop removing the paragraph about her nude work from Mickie's Wikipedia now.

Thank You!--CJ 06:56, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Melina Perez

It doesn't matter if J.R. said it or not - it's still an opinion. Things on Wikipedia should be neutral and verifiable. If you can find a reference to J.R. or someone in WWE saying something to that effect, then it can be there as something like "Since coming to RAW, she has been billed as having a more aggressive wrestling style." --Jtalledo (talk) 21:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Reworded it accordingly - thanks for the reference. --Jtalledo (talk) 21:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trish Picture

i dont like the new picture on trishs page but it is a free use image. If you change it everyone else will change it back because it is a free use image, it tells you to not remove it by the picture. Lil crazy thing 06:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Amy Dumas

In this edit you removed a link to Cutter (professional wrestling) and replaced it with an outdated link to Professional wrestling throws. You also added the move "Lita Bomb" despite failing to cite a source for this addition, and linked to "Hurricarana" rather than "Hurricanrana". In addition, you changed "Litacanrana" to "Litacarana". In total, four counts of bad editing. If you continue to vandalise pages by adding spelling errors and breaking links, you will be reported. In addition, please do not add opinions to discussion pages, as you did here. If you continue to make damaging edits to pages, you will be reported for vandalism. Thank you. McPhail 23:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

You changed "Litacanrana" to "Litacarana" here. If you wanted to add the "spinning out powerbomb" then fair enough, but I don't see why you felt the need to make numerous other unproductive and harmful changes. McPhail 14:45, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

It's also worth noting that the move in the video you posted is actually a spin-out powerbomb, not a spinning out powerbomb. McPhail 14:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Misunderstanding

Hello Fr3nZi3!

I did not vandalize the sites of John Cena or Candice Michelle. I reverted the vandalism. Please look at the history.

IP 209.240.206.212 wrote about John Cena in line 5: death_date = Hopefully soon in line 15:He is quite possibly the most overrated and untalented pile of crap to ever win the WWE Title.

IP 172.202.42.181 wrote about Candice Michell in line 31: Candice Michelle is the no.1 sex bomb she has nice tits nice arse her pussy just wow and the way she has shaved in to a shape is amazing.

I reverted both sorts of vandalism.

So you are angry with the wrong person. But that happens.

Weird Bird 22:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

No Problem. Weird Bird 10:00, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Signature moves

Hi, i have seen some of your edits on Booker Huffman, and David Bautista, where you have removed or changed some of there signature moves... just to let you know Booker often used the Pildriver and the Missile Dropkick to finish matches before entering WWE... as for Batista, he used his strong clothesline to knock-out opponents regularly after doing it legitimatally during one match on RAW he continued to use it as a unique move rather than a generic one making it a signature move... if you couldnt remove/change these again it would be much appriciated --- Paulley 07:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for saying you did the booker thing and i agree on the generic move removal on Batista... but like you said he did use the strong clothesline as a signature while on RAW; just cus he doesnt use it now doesnt make it anyless of a signature move --- Paulley

[edit] A note about your wish to add running DDT to John Cena's page

you were mad [according to the talk page of john cena that when you added 'running ddt'to cenas finishing moves section it got removed.it is possible that they felt it hadnt been established enough to be considered a finishing/signiture move.how about we wait,and if in a few weeks he has continued to use it,we'll add it to the finishing/signiture moves section?i am snape.i killed innocent bugs. 23:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proof of JFK

Just for this eventuality I kept an mp3 of the interview on my computer, the reason I haven't listed it as a source is that links to a fileservice wouldn't really be allowed. Here's the interview: http://rapidshare.de/files/31634128/kennedy_interview_05_26_06.mp3.html --- Lid 01:27, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Amy Dumas

Check WWE.com - the moves are referred to as the "DDT" and "Moonsault", not the "Lita DDT" and "Litasault". Lita DDT and Litasault are names used in video games, not names acknowledged by WWE. McPhail 16:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm trying to maintain a high level of quality in the article, and that necessitates sticking to official move names, not names invented by fans or video game companies. McPhail 16:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

That seems fair enough. McPhail 17:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Name: Lita

Height: 5 foot 6 Weight: 135 pounds From: Sanford, N.C. Signature Move: Moonsault; DDT Career Highlights: 3-time Women's Champion Associates: Edge WWE Debut: 2000 Trained By: Dory Funk Jr.

Thats from WWE's Offical web page. Does it say Litasault?NO, it does not.Plus I've never heard of the Lita Bomb either but it's possible because these days anyone does a Power Bomb gets it named after them. My main problem was you saying she does the Leg-Feed Enzu every match which is false.Razorface

[edit] Relax, dude, seriously.

You need to keep calm, or you're going to blow out a gasket. Please check out WP:COOL.
On another note, please read WP:NPA. I'm looking at your posts on the Trish Stratus article talk page, calling editors "pests" and "bufoons" (sic) is/are a personal attack(s), so be careful. Thanks. -->So sayeth Methnor^{Sayeth back}|_{Other sayethings}

It's a personal attack because you're calling other editors names. There, I used the 2nd grade version :). You're commenting on the editors, and not content. Also, as much as you'd like to think it's vandalism, it's a content dispute. -->So sayeth Methnor^{Sayeth back}|_{Other sayethings}

Also, please learn to check out a page's edit histories, you might gain valuable insight as to why certain edits are made (and who is making them!) Trish Stratus article history page. Some of your edits are nonsensical. "Forearm shivers" is NOT Trish specific. Why have two Stratusfactions? Why link to Kick when there's a Bicycle Kick subsection in Professional wrestling attacks? -->So sayeth Methnor^{Sayeth back}|_{Other sayethings}

"Forearm shivers" should not be italicized because it's not HER name for the move. The way it is now is fine, but before it was "Forearm shivers (Elbow smashes)". About the bicycle kick, it's nonsensical because you reverted it to an incorrect link for no apparent reason. And I wasn't attacking you, you keep making elephants out of mice. -->So sayeth Methnor^{Sayeth back}|_{Other sayethings}

Nope, I was not attacking you. If you had read WP:NPA, you'd know that a personal attack constitutes attacks about the contributer, and not the content of their edits, which is what I was commenting on. And I explained why each part of your edit was nonsensical in my view. -->So sayeth Methnor^{Sayeth back}|_{Other sayethings}

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[edit] Re;Melina note

The move itself has been a staple of diva matches for years due to it combining common hair pulling tactics and faceplanting. Melina didn't popularise it as popularise means to associate with or lead others to identify the move with the user. Melina at best is a user of the move. –– Lid^(Talk) 15:06, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Key lines - "only notable user of the move at the moment" and "notable user of the mvoe at the moment". WP:PW has long agreed to not list users of moves and that to be listed they need to either be an innovator (inventing the move in question. See: Mitsuharu Misawa and either the Tiger Driver or Emerald Frosion), populariser (bringing a move to the public eye so it is associated with them though not necessarily inventing it. See: AJ Styles who has popularised the Styles Clash but it was innovated by Vic Grimes) or modifier of a move (taking a current move and adding a twist to it that makes it a modification. See Chris Hero's Hangman's Clutch). The variation you are describing can be seen in many diva matches from as early as 1999, after Ivory popularised the facebuster itself. I have removed Torrie Wilson on your reasoning, but I am reverting the text to the older one because long before Melina began using it it was part of the standard facebuster definition. She is not an innovater, populariser or real modifer as the modifier already existed. –– Lid^(Talk) 08:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The reason sit out has always had its own section is because while not the original standard facebuster it is by far the most common facebuster, also a sitout move is different from a kneeling move. Ohn the very article you will notice the seperation from double underhook facebuster and lifting double underhook facebuster which is by and large ended with a sitout. In regards to your comment that "she doesn't grab the hair", well that's fine as most standard facebusterds don't grab the hair either including Ivory's original version, which also spun. You may end up creating a subsection but even then your rationale for including Melina is flawed as she is still simply a user, no matter what happens nothing can change that and her listing would be against policy. –– Lid^(Talk) 15:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Naming a move doesn't qualify inclusion either unless the name itself gets adopted as a generic title, which is evidence of popularity. See how the sharpshooter is the "sharpshooter" and not known as the Scorpion hold (as named by its innovater Riki Chōshū) or Scorpion Deathlock as named by its other most known user Sting). We don't rename sitout powerbombs Batista Bombs just because Batista uses it, or fireman's carry takeovers into F-U's, naming a move is rather meaningless unless it was the name the innovater used, the name of the popularised version or the name of the modification. –– Lid^(Talk) 15:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Melina/Facebuster edits

Please can you not keep adding "Spinning Kneel Out Facebuster." it is a pointless subsection for a slight alteration on the standard facebuster which is already noted within the article. Esspecially as the only reason you are adding it is to put in a user (something we dont even add to these articles)... i understand you are a fan of Melina.. but this will be no longer tolerated. --- Paulley

Thank you. However, i have only ever seen Melina use this move once and i wouldnt by anymeans say she popularized it in american wrestling... thats a little far fetched isnt it --- Paulley

[edit] Sharpshooter

With respect I never removed 'The Sharpshooter' from Trish's move list. Although I would adovcate not having it there because she only used it as a finisher once. It was a real fairytale ending for her career, a Canadian wrestler (in her final match) in Canada winning the championship that's at sake with the Sharpshooter it doesn't get much better then that. But we don't add moves to wrestler's pages just cause they do it once no matter what they did with it. Night Bringer

I've asked for confirmation on the prowrestling project page. But I haven't seen any evidence on it to believe that a finisher is added to a wrestler's page if they only used it once regardless of what they got from it. EG Shawn Micheals is not listed as using the Sharpshooter as a finisher even though he used it at the Montreal Screwjob.Night Bringer

I haven't touched your assertion of Trish using the Sharpshooter as a finisher. I've registered doubts about it. That's all. And leave HBK's page alone, he hasn't used the Sharpshooter in years and the project managers have clearly decided he doesn't use it as a finisher.Night Bringer

Got confirmation. It's not notable because she only used it once.Night Bringer

[edit] Lita pic

You said: "What is wrong with a Lita picture. What is inappropriate about the picture??"

Which image? --Yamla 01:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I assume you are talking about Image:Lita Tatoo.jpg. Please do not add images to articles in violation of WP:FUC. Please see the image page itself for the information it is missing. --Yamla 01:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Further personal attacks

Please refrain from making personal attacks like this. See WP:NPA. Thanks. --Yamla 01:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

You said: "Ok I used personal attacks but only because some scumbags continue vandalising pages! I might just leave Wikipedia if it continues, because I have had enough!"

I understand how frustrating that can be. I've reverted approximately 15,000 instances of vandalism, and I know it can be hard to keep your cool. But it is important. --Yamla 05:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Cena

Please do not add {{sprotected}} to articles like you did to John Cena, as that will not protect them. An adminisitrator must manually protect an article in order to prevent new/all users from editing it. You may request protection at WP:RFPP. Thanks, and continue to take down those vandals! I c e d K o l a ^{(Contributions)} 16:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

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