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[edit] Intercaste Marriages

What is the percentage of inter-caste and inter-religious marriages in the Forward Castes? If it is less than 10%, aren't they anti-social? Maaparty 15:23, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] figures given in the article

the main article gives a figure of 36-39% for Forward castes. Lets analyze the problem. Officially, SC=15%, ST=8%, OBC=52%, Muslims=12%. That makes up 87%. So forward castes, at best can be just 13%.nids(♂) 11:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

That is how all these days politicians were projecting. National Family Health Survey was taken in 98-99. It says Forward Castes population is around 38-39%.National Sample Survey 99-00 points out forward caste population is 36%. You can download Employment and Unemployment among social groups in India, 1999-2000 55th Round PDF file(Registration required) from http://mospi.nic.in/mospi_nsso_rept_pubn.htm.

I paste below figures given by NSS 99-00

Rural Out of thousand people

SC ST OBC Others

106 213 374 307

Urban Out of thousand people

SC ST OBC Others

39 146 314 502

You apply rural and urban population weightages and you will get the figure of 36%.Statistically NSS survey is considered large with a sample size of around 600000.

Also you are quoting 52% OBC figures given by Mandal commission which has been proved wrong by subsequent surveys. Mandal derived based on 1931 census by using wrong calculations as indicated by Yogendra Yadhav,Psephologist.(Citation given in Reservation in India article)See population section of this article.Mandal figure for OBC includes Muslim OBC,so it should not be added separately like what you did. Govt surveys indicates Forward caste population is around 36-39%. Yogendra Yadav agrees that it has to be atleast 33%. --Lravikumar 12:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

So, according to the sources you cited, OBC population would be around 35%.nids(♂) 12:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes.These are the only data available with Government of India regarding population of various communities. Sample size of both surveys are large.(NFHS around 90000,NSS 600000) and both came with almost similar figures for OBC,BC,SC/ST. Mandal did not conduct any survey and cooked up 1931 census figures to arrive some figures. After 1931 census so many things have happened like a) Partition happened and mass migratrions of Hindu,Muslim communities happened as a result of it. b) Muslim population has gone up from 9% in 1947 to 12 % in 2001 c) SC/ST population has gone up from 19% in 1947 to 24 % in 2001. which shows population of communities are changing dynamically.

See Also.Regarding Yogendara Yadav comments on Mandal commission figures(He is the only psephologist in India who predicted NDA will lose in 2004 elections when NDTV/India Today/Outlook surveys were giving more than 300 seats for NDA)

http://www.southasianmedia.net/cnn.cfm?id=292238&category=Social%20Sectors&Country=INDIA

Actually, the last time proper census was done was way back in 1931 and all the other estimates are just projections (Mandal commission was crap, ofcourse). Do you have any online link for 1931 census report. I have tried that but unsuccessfully. Also, do you have any idea about the percentage of forward castes in 1931 according to 1931 census report.nids(♂) 15:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

1931 census is not available online. 1871-1901 census are available online. Those censuses does not show caste wise population. It shows Brahmin,Rajputs &Kshatriya,other hindu communities,Dalits,tribes populations separately. I hope 1931 census also would have been taken in that way. I don't know how Mandal commission can derive Forward and backward population from those caste figures. (For example Yadav is considered Kshatriya but backward caste)Also those censuses includes Burma,Bangladesh,Pakistan population also. You can find some caste wise info from following links for the period of 1871-1901.Current demographic pattern should have been entirely different.Mandal gave some nonsense figures and till 1998 politicians took major decisions based on that figures.

http://www.chaf.lib.latrobe.edu.au/dcd/page.php?title=&action=previous&record=20

http://www.chaf.lib.latrobe.edu.au/dcd/page.php?title=&record=51

Demographic pattern cannot be totally different from what NSS indicated because of its large sample size. Otherwise two different nationwide surveys cannot come out with almost similar figures.

[edit] Who is forward?

Qn. All these castes listed out here were getting almost 100% reservation for Centuries while the current backward communities (per Govt) were sidelined and had no access to education or jobs. So should we call them forward or backward????