Talk:Formula Three Euroseries

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[edit] Expansion

This article needs expansion, along the lines of the Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters page. Adrian M. H. 21:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorted now. Adrian M. H. 19:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jamie Green's results

I originally listed 140 points and 5 poles for Jamie Green's championship season, based on data at Forix. I have since found two sets of data from http://www.formel3guide.com and Speedsport that contradict Forix and both agree on 139 points and 6 poles. I have amended the table accordingly. Adrian M. H. 19:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On hold for GA

I have to say, I really did like the article. Can someone just source the remaining statements made in Background, Technical and Sporting Regulations, and Chassis and Engines? This branch of FIA racing is just such a "niche" element that a lot of the elements of this particular series might need the extra sourcing backup. I'll check back in a week or so and see how it's going. Theirishpianist 05:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Response: You'll need to be specific about which bits you think are not already sourced. I can at least confirm that notes 9 and 10 in the Regs section cover all the info between them and the previous ref. Adrian M. H. 15:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

These are the specific statements I'd like to see sourced:

"In 1976, the Cup evolved into the European F3 Championship and the calendar doubled in length to incorporate ten rounds. The first title winner in the new format was Riccardo Patrese. The series ran continuously in this format until 1984. The European Cup returned from 1985 to 1990 as a one-off special event not dissimilar to the Macau Grand Prix."
"From 1999 to 2002, the European Cup name was re-used to promote the Grand Prix de Pau when that event had returned to Formula Three regulations, at which time it was included as a round of the French F3 Championship until the latter's demise."
"When the series began, all entrants took a conservative approach to their choice of chassis supplier and opted for the established Dallara F302/F303. Alternative chassis have been tested and/or raced on occasions, but have failed to get established in the face of Dallara's dominance."

I double-checked the entries in Technical and Sporting Regulations and those actually do look good. If you can source those three statements that's all I'll need. Theirishpianist 18:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I have added sources where possible, and commented out statements for which I haven't been able to find good sources (it's a while since this article was written!). I have rephrased the sentence about alternative chassis failing to become established, but it is too general to be sourced directly. It is explained by the following paragraph, which is sourced. I have removed the break between the two paragraphs to tie them together more clearly. Adrian M. H. 23:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I like it. One more question...is there any available information on the interim period from 1984-2003? Specifically, the period between 1991 and 1998 where the F3 European Cup was not awarded? More curiosity than anything but I thought I'd ask. Theirishpianist 00:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The multi-round championship ended in 1984 and wasn't replaced by an equivalent. I'm not sure why. Possibly because its last few champions didn't exactly impress in F1. There was just the usual one-off specials at Pau in France and Zandvoort in Holland (the Marlboro Masters), plus two more in Asia (Korea and Macau). The Pau Grand Prix ran to F3000 regs in the 1990s, then got rebranded as a European Cup when it went back to F3 regs as a round of the French Championship, but the name was misleading, as little had changed. There was also a short-lived Central European Championship around the turn of the millenium, but that was just a few events in the Czech Republic and Poland, and barely registered on anyone's radar. Adrian M. H. 15:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Nice job, everyone. I enjoyed this article and thought it was quite well done. Just be sure to keep up with the latest technical advancements, and keep the league tables accurate as the season progresses. Theirishpianist 05:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I strongly recommend that the inline citations are changed to the [[WP:CITET] format. If this article comes up for a GA review, then this may be commented on. - Shudda ^talk 01:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure what you mean? It is my understanding - I have been told this by other editors - that the notes layout with the small numbers is the correct system. Surely the term "inline" refers to website links that are represented thus: 1 Which is not used in this article. I spent a lot of time converting them all with templates prior to nominating the article. If, by "[[WP:CITET]", you mean WP:CITE, I have read it. Adrian M. H. 15:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Lots more information can be included in the refs. If you looks at the web and news templates of WP:CITET they have something along the lines of {{cite web| url= |publisher= |title= |date= |accessdate= |last= |first=}}. Although it says there are neither encouraged or discouraged, they are a really good format to use, gives lots of info, rather then just url, title and accessdate. - Shudda ^talk 22:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I used the "cite web" template, but you can't include information if it is not available or doesn't apply. It is quite rare to find author credits for motorsport articles, for example. I can appreciate your point, but I have sought (and worked hard) to include all available information. Adrian M. H. 23:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Not all avaliable information is there, take for example ref 7. Using citet it reads: