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Contents 1 Novel list 2 Georgaphy 3 Updating 4 Wikiproject 5 Cosmology 6 Rework 7 Another image 8 Novels and computer games 9 dagnabbit redirect? 10 Character Pole 11 Goals for page 12 What am I missing? 13 Merge Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting

[edit] Novel list

I added an incomplete list of novels to the page. I got it from my very old (1995-97) Forgotten Realms webpage, which has been offline for a long time (if someone wants to pick up the project, let me know, I have lots of archives). Feel free to move the novels list to another place. I also have the author names for all the books listed. Sdibb 04:37, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Georgaphy

The Faerûn page now includes a fairly complete high-level overview of the geography of the continent. — RJH 18:54, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Isn't Icewind Dale part of this setting also?

• • Yes it is. I have no idea which of the numerous FR articles mentions it, though (Faerûn? Toril? list of FR computer games?). The various 'top-level' FR pages could and should be merged together. -Sean Curtin 03:20, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

Where would someone find a map of the Other Continents other than Fearun? I would like to have a map of Maztica.Solon Olrek 17:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Updating

I've started to fill out and add to the FR pages. Darkhold, Crown Wars, Illefarn, and Daggerford. I'd love some feedback.--RYard 17:30, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject

With a lack of a template I put the link to the WikiProject at the top of this page in italics so that it can be accessed more easily. -Erolos 16:03, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

There is a template Template:Forgotten Realms project. Poulsen 16:11, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cosmology

The section somebody just wrote about the change to the FR cosmology in 3E seems quite POV to me, he/she is clearly one of the people who doesnt like the change. The section needs to be reworked to sound more neutral, or include references to claims that many players dont use it etc, else it should be removed as it seems to stick out somewhat. -- Lewis 15:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I fixed this problem in the rework to the best of my ability. -- Lewis 02:55, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rework

I've tried to rework this article in to a more encyclopedic one. I'm not a complete expert on the Forgotten Realms, I've just used what I could find, so there is a lot of room for extra stuff still to be added or redone. Hopefully this will inspire people to help improve the article. -- Lewis 17:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Removed entry regarding "Gond." Such is written in an inappropriate context for Wikipedia, and should be included under a separate entry, not mashed in with the rest of the deities. Maelstrom58 00:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)maelstrom58

[edit] Another image

I uploaded an image from the WotC website, which I now realize I can't use since Wikipedia policy prohibits copyrighted images to be used in templates, even when it's fair use. I'm putting it here for a while in the meantime, just to keep the orphan bot from eating it... --Maggu 10:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Since two of these (almost identical) images now exist, we should be responsible and nominate one for deletion. -- Lewis 12:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I've switched to using this new image as its better tagged and ill nominate the older one. -- Lewis 15:32, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Novels and computer games

Someone has expanded the list of computer games. The purpose of the list was to show the most notable/important ones, not every FR game, which is given in the Main Article link. I propose we pick the 4-5 most important and give a summary description for each and ditch the others. The same goes for novels. For example these?:

1. Pool of Radiance - the first one
2. Neverwinters Nights - orginal one - first graphical MMORPG
3. Baldur's Gate - v popular
4. Neverwinter nights - v recent/popular/morpg

-- Lewis 14:10, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I went and reduced the list to these four, feel free to improve the summary descriptions I gave or substitute them for games you think are more notable/important to the Forgotten Realms, but I think this list shouldn't be longer than 4-5 entries. -- Lewis 02:55, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Demon Stone is not a role playing game! It's an action game (a fighter, really) set in the Forgotten Realms world. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.198.224.77 (talk • contribs).

[edit] dagnabbit redirect?

Why does "dagnabbit" redirect here? Ben Tibbetts 02:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dagnabbit. --Muchness 12:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you; sorry. Ben Tibbetts 19:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Character Pole

I would like to see what other people's favorite characters from all of the Forgotten Realms books are. (Discussion on why HIGHLY encouraged.) Solon Olrek 18:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

My favorite character would have to be Drizzt Do'Urden. I'm not sure if part of it is because he was the first Forgotten Realms character I was introduced to, but he also has a very good story to him. He started out in life in a horrible environment, but he didn't succumb to the darkness around him, but left it behind in search of a brighter future. He faced paramounts of persecution on his journey, and ended up traveling an unbeleivable distance to finally come to a place where he was free of his past and around people he considered to be family. Not to mention he is just plain AWSOME! Solon Olrek 17:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Goals for page

Eventually, as improvement for the book entries progresses, much of the content about the Campaign Setting books will be relocated to the existing Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting page, and this page will lose the D&D Books template. Serpent's Choice 06:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

What content exactly? The FR is a collection of all the books published about it, I think it would be unwise to remove any information from this article at all. The books template yes, as this article isnt about a specific book, but it should include the history of what material has been published. Lewis 07:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

There is quite a bit more that can and should be added to the article: discussion of real-world inspiration for campaign features, discussions of the geography redesign for 3E, information about how the TSR to WotC handoff affected the campaign setting. In an effort to ensure the article size is manageable, all I'm suggesting is that the next refactoring will probably result in a Main article: Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting line, much akin to the existing ones for video games and geography. Serpent's Choice 07:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes there's definatley more to be added to this article as you say. It would be a good idea to add a main article line directing to the FRCS article in the section about product history, but no material needs to be removed from that section at this time. This main FR article should talk about the setting as a whole while the FRCS article should just talk about the line of campaign setting books, which they do, so I dont see any need for changes at the moment, although I think I'll add in the main article link as you suggest. Lewis 12:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I've actually put it in as a see also at the end of the history section, since that section doesnt just talk about the campaign setting books. Lewis 12:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What am I missing?

I have read the series of R.A.Salvatore several times, from Homeland and The Canticle through The Two Swords and on to Promise of the Witch King. Each time I reach this point I know I've missed some content, some book. Promise continues the adventures of Jarlaxle and Artemis Entreri presumably from the Servant of the Shard ending, and yet there are characters and inferences to other material between these two novels. For example, Entreri's personal battle of owning the jeweled dagger that steals the very life essence of its victim. His skin now holds a grey hue from having used the dagger on a Shade. Which text is this in? Athrogate is commissioned to follow the drow and human duo to Bloodstone Village, and speaks as if he is well aware of the prowess of our protagonists from experience. Jarlaxle, and Entreri by association, are now in the employ of two dragon sisters, Ilnezhara and Tazmikella, and yet I feel as if their current relationship could not have been thrown at readers assuming they will take the current situation for given, there needs to be some history that I am lacking. Please tell me the title of the novel I am missing, I presume containing Jarlaxle and Entreri's dealings with the town of Heliogabalus and the reason The Promise begins with the pair exploring the tower of Zhengyi. I apologize for my ignorance and thank you in advance for any fruitful response.

66.177.111.198 02:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)CMW

The one thing I've always wondered is who forgot them? The use of the New World to mean the Americas clearly says something about the viewpoint of the people to whom the New World was new. Who though forgot the Forgotten Realms?--Nickpheas 18:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting

I don't see how the book about the setting is notable enough in and of itself to warrant a separate article. Surely it can be described adequately here. Hairy Dude 22:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I would tend to agree, maybe it is not notable enough in its own right. However the Forgotten Realms is more than what is described in that single/series book, and I don't really think the information contained in that article would be usefully placed here, or anywhere in fact. I think the whole line of articles that describe the irrelevant details of individual sourcebooks are somewhat pointless so I do not support the merging or these two articles.

I would prefer the other article deleted entirely, but there appears to be support for this aforementioned line of rulebook articles if the existence of the template at the bottom of each of the pages is anything to go by. --Lewis 19:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

'I am also opposed to the merger of these two articles'. The Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting article is about a role playing book (of the same name) and the Forgotten Realms article is about the campaign setting itself. The Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting article should be confined entirely to the book (and should not refer to anything not contained within it).

The Forgotten Realms article should discuss the campaign setting as a whole (and therefore should only cover the role playing book called Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting in passing). The Forgotten Realms article should be covering all of the role playing products, the novels and computer games (most of which have nothing to do with this book).

Merger of Forgotten Realms articles should be left to the Forgotten Realms WikiProject or the Dungeons and Dragons Wikiproject as both of those projects understand what this article is about and how it relates to ones with similar (but not identical) subjects. Big Mac 22:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Do not Merge There appears to me to be enough encyclopedic information in article Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting specifically about the products of this name, the different version and what is included in each that is too detailed to be placed in the main Forgotten Realms article here. FR Campaign setting should be a subarticle going into more detail on a topic that is summarised in FR main article. Both need a lot of work and probably some shuffling and consolidation between each other, but they do not need a merge. - Waza 11:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I apologize for the last message left on this page by my acount. My brother decided to cause some mischeif amoung the articles I was watching and even preceded to change a few I was not. Anyway, about the current issue. I think that there should be a few links to the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting and that it should be left at that. This way, it doesn't clutter up the Forgotten Realms article, yet it isn't deleted, therefor provided interested readers the information they desire, should they follow the link that is.Solon Olrek 20:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)