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[edit] Proposed reworking

I would propose this article and that on blacksmith be reworked.

"Forge" is a noun describing first a device/mechanism for heating metal specifically so it can be shaped by deformation of one kind or another. From the device comes the name "forge" for a smithy or blacksmith shop or a factory (where the word would be synonymous with "ironworks"). "Forging" being a verb is about the processes of shaping metal as well as creating counterfiet documents. "Forging" does not necessarily involve a "forge". I believe between the two articles, blacksmithing and forge, which cover about the same topics there could arise some confusion.

I would propose the following reorganization for clarity:

  1. The article on "forge" be rewritten to make it more exclusive to the noun meaning device/mechanism for heating. It should contain links to "forging" and "blacksmithing".
  2. "Forging" should be established as an article to deal briefly with the aspects of the verb forge/forging (with a recommended link to "forgery" and creating a "forgery" article if it does not exist). This article should have at least three sections:
    • a section defining the verb and giving an overview
    • a section devoted to industrial forging
    • a brief section on forging as a "hand craft" with a link to "blacksmithing"
    • a brief section on "forge" and "forging" as related to "forgery" with a link to that article.
  3. "blacksmithing" should be an article on it's own and that article should cover the aspects of "forging" which are more hand craft (I hesitate for some reason to use the term "handicraft") as opposed to topics like drop forging and machining which are more industrial processes.

I believe the foregoing reorganization would fairly logically move elements of each of the articles into groupings that would present the topics involved more intelligibly.

I suspect that the article "blacksmith" should be separated and linked into this reorganization as well.

Comments and replies and discussion are always welcome. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Erraunt (talk • contribs) 16:25, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I've seen no replies or further comments since my previous posting in August. Therefore unless I hear objections I will commence to move elements under "Forging" in this article to that topic, and link to "forge" rather than redirect.
I also intend to adjust the opening paragraphs of this article to clarify the several uses of the term "forge". Erraunt 19:53, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
The article also confuses forges with forging hammers and presses. A forge is a metal heating furnace or the shop where the work ocurs. Hammers and presses are forging hammers and forging presses, eg. Drop-forging is done with a drop-hammer. Heat sources and forming tools should be seperate categories under equipment in the article. Fciron 15:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anon edit

anon (65.60.182.89) edited the Forge#Forging section by adding the following (red) statement:

Forging results in metal that is stronger than cast or machined metal parts. This is because during forging the metals grain flow changes such that is stronger and more ductile.(note that there is no evidence to support this and it is a common myth)


while ductility may be in question, I'd have thought the strength benefits of forging were undisputed, certainly when compared to older casting methods. However thought ain't fact so, can anyone with more expertise in the field or access to good references reword and, preferably, reference this paragraph? — Graibeard 23:43, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

When using wrought iron (metallurgically speaking) there is a grain in the metal and forging complex shapes is superior to machining. However wrought iron is rarely used today and is primarily an art material. I can speak to the use of different metals in blacksmithing and will look through the material and my references.Fciron 15:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blacksmiths not here anymore

blacksmiths are not here today because we now have factories that makes the metal. In medieval times, people would have blacksmiths make their weapons for them, and in return, they would get charcoal from the lord. The stronger the metal was, the better the blacksmith was. Usually more people would come to the blacksmith whose metal is strong enought to go through a person without losing it's head.

Factories do the same think blacksmiths do, only they are more complex, and dont break down as easily. Blacksmiths could get tired and decide to quite, while factory machines dont ever quit, they keep on going. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.172.55.152 (talk • contribs) 01:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good article candidacy?

This is a really nice little article. With the addition of some good refs I think it's worthy of being nominated as a WP:GA. Chris Cunningham 11:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Tuyeres

Why does 'tuyere' redirect here? I always thought a tuyere was a hot air vent used in a furnace like the blast furnace, for reducing ores. Does anybody know why this redirection has been made? Mike 15:15, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

tuyeres are also present in a forge, used in exactly the same way. i.e. to provide oxygen for a hotter burn. Tom

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