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To-do list for Ford Mustang: edit  · history  · watch  · refresh
  • Keep the article in formal tone as much as possible.
  • The article looks bad and even worse on wide screen display with Firefox 2.00. Firefox experts needs some inputs here.
  • Symbols and acronyms must be cosnistant for Horsepower, torque, cubic inches, liters and so on.
  • Watch for...
    • ...POV's
    • ...weasel words.
    • ...fancruft.
  • References.
  • Propose moving model variants to separate pages and keeping basic stats on main page and short blurb (visible example: Putting the 80's Mustang models Ford Mustang SVO and Ford Mustang SSP on separate pages rather than incorporating them into the article itself and leaving a short blurb about them on the main page).
  • Propose moving Mustang II to a separate page. Mustang enthusiasists generally don't consider the Mustang II to be a true Mustang.

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[edit] Multiple merges

Do the following article really need to be stand-alone articles?

The information provided in them is, for the most part, redundant. If you actually take just the unique information these articles provide, you'll find it is very little. I say every single one of them should be merged into here. Thoughts? Votes? Roguegeek (talk) 04:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Article_size. Note: This page is 60 kilobytes long. It may be appropriate to split this article into smaller, more specific articles. Some should stay, others could be merged into the article itself. --293.xx.xxx.xx 06:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

That's kinda what I'm thinking too. Any article above that has a fair share of unique information should stay. The question would be which ones do? Roguegeek (talk) 07:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Turbine06: Well Personally i Think these are All cars in their own right

to be honest this article is so bloated it sickens me. It so poorly organised it gives me headaches. But these so called seperated articles stated above (specifically those no longer produced like SVO or SSP) can be merged to respected era of mustang. for example the SSP, SVO can be combined together as a new page and can be linked from 1979-1993 mustang section.

Before you even consider any merge of anytype, cleanup the main article first. THEN worry about whether or not each model deserves it's own page or needs to be incorporated into the article itself. --Cesario (JPN) 19:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Wiki_righter:

Keep them separate. The generic Mustang article is already a bit unweildy. Mustangs and derivatives have been around for 40+ years - lots of info on this car. Allowing different pages together with links from the original page allows detail to be added without making the original article even more difficult to read. Hyperlinks are one of the benefits of an online encyclopedia. Lets take advantage of them.

Stongly Oppose to merge, these articles are each well developed in their own right, something i'd like to see more of for other years/models of mustangs. --AlexOvShaolin 19:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I am removing the merge tag because it doesnt make any logical sense. I already created a seperate page for mustang variation.Jbrian80 08:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I oppose the merge. This article already receives way too many edits as it is; merging them well only compound the problem. Also, each of the articles are special enough in their own right to warrant their own article. FrankWilliams 12:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major Revision

Time for some drastic action. I cleaned up some of the articles, Fix some factual errors, add citations, remove some POV's and weasel words. The content is pretty much the same I did some re-arranging in chronological order... if you hate it revert it. I didnt able to finished because I already spend hours editing. 24.83.153.249 10:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Separate page

Is it all right if i shorten this article and put the information another page related to the Ford Mustang.220.236.231.226 21:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Dont worry if you scrwewed up you can revert it ;). I doubt these article can ever be merged, its getting too long. The only weay is to get these seperate article some decent exposure so they dont get obscured. Jbrian80 06:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I combined the the variants and seperate them by respected category rather then by generation...here is my crude sample (not linked pending approval) Ford Mustang Variants. Since other mustang variants was practically shutt off like from Saleen and Roush....a seperate variant page gives these obscured variants a chance to be exposed... Jbrian80 07:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
if a seperate page for variants was "approved" the burden on main article will be reduced.Jbrian80 08:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I dont want to be blunt, but face it wikipedia want 37 kb and the article was 57kb going down to 47kb. I have no choice but to put these variants on new page and its up to you to expand it. Put more info on Steeda, Roush etc. See Ford Mustang Variants. Jbrian80 19:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I approve. --293.xx.xxx.xx 06:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Big changes to the 87-93 Mustang article.

I cleaned up the fox body section of this page. A lot of the verbage was very opinionated (like how they said it was a GOOD thing that they switched to cast pistons in 93) and some of the facts were just plain wrong. It still needs a lot more information but at least now it doesn't look like some little kid wrote it.

Excellent, I been losing sleep trying to fix this article. Jbrian80 09:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Poor representations, i.e. the images suck

The mustang represents for most people a statement of performance, since basically 1966 onwards, or whenever the GT was introduced. This is even more true today, so why is this page full of images of poverty edition V6s for the later models?? Please replace the V6s with some standard, unmodifed GT cars. Go have a look at the Porsche 911 page. They don't have boring 911 coupes, they have GT3s and Turbos up there. Jeez. 192.197.71.189 16:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Dude St*u Honestly As Long as we have pictures were good who cares if it isnt the GT model they look exactly the SAME except for a little Metal Piece that Says GT and you can put those on the v6 so you honestly do not know if the car is v6 or v8 from a picture so zip it 24.178.196.124 05:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Yes, I can tell that they were all V6 models. They don't look exactly the same. If you think that, you dunno Mustang very well. Each one had the most basic options you could get for a mustang, and ones not available for the GT cars (different body panels, narrow 16 wheels, etc. CJ DUB 17:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

No, I kind of agree. It's not so much that the pics are all V6 models, but that all the pics of models between 1987 and 2004 are badly framed, badly lit, or just plain bad photos. Can anyone get some better shots? Ideally, these should be "factory stock" appearing cars. Customized vehicles belong in another category. I've got a very good personal "poster" style photo of a 2002 GT, I can post up in place of the 4th Generation "table" photo. I'll put it in. Revert the article if you disagree. Nne3jxc 02:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks to whoever put some decent GT images in. The GT is the top of the standard mustang line after all.CJ DUB 18:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
A lot of those images that I threw in there were in this article on previous revisions. Not sure why they came out in the first place, but they were easily found again. Yes, that first image should definitely stay that familiar red Mustang. Roguegeek (talk) 07:15, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

The images were taken out because folks want to put pictures of their own cars in rather than worrying about the quality of the article. FrankWilliams 12:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ford Mustang Sedan

According to AutoWeek [1], a Mustang sedan and station wagon are reportedly in development for the 2011 model year. It will replace the aging Crown Victoria sedan as Ford's rear wheel drive full-size car. It will also underpin the next Mercury Marquis and Lincoln Town Car. So the D2C platform will replace the Panther body. -- Bull-Doser 15:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

An enlarged D2C variant is almost certain to replace the Panther. However, I doubt Ford is stupid enough to make four-door Mustangs. This is just an "idea" they're throwing around, for now. --Sable232 16:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Agreed - seriously calling it a Mustang would probably be second only to the FWD "Mustang" Probe fiasco. This sounds more to me like someone missed a few important words and didn't differentiate between "Mustang" and "Mustang platform". Not to mention, that 'rendering' looks somewhere about MSPaint in quality. Ayocee 19:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

The rumors of sedan and wagon variants of the Mustang have been officially squashed by Ford. According to CNN, the offical Ford response to the rumor was: "The Mustang is an icon and will continue in its current form: a unique two-door, rear-wheel drive, 2+2 performance car."


Sorry to complain, but the "COMING TO THE MARKET," paragraph seems incomplete.

Vinnie Meissner.

[edit] WTH HAPPENDED ON FIRST GEN?

This guy 76.175.18.187 who vandalised the pagec deleted much of first genration section. WTH happened to 1967? 1968? I am thinking of restoring them (much shorter though) 24.83.153.249 08:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I restored the section. Yes its bloody long but deleting a chunk of section without reason is plain ridiculous@ 24.83.153.249 09:03, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADD A SECTION OF THE CONCEPT CAR AND PIC... THANK YOU

[edit] 4.2 Liter?

A friend has a fourth generation, which came with a badge advertising it as a 4.2 Liter V8 -- the hell? What VIN code would I use to determine the true engine size?

[edit] Fourth generation

The fourth generation mustang are all "SN-95" cars. The line "With the SN-95 now gone, a refreshed model with Ford's "New Edge" styling themes came in 1999" needs to be revised so it is more accurate. The 1994-1998 are "round body" SN-95s while the 1999-2004 are "new edge" SN-95s. This would be akin to saying that the 1979-1986 Mustangs are fox bodies while the 87-1993 are not because the latter doesn't have four head lights. 209.169.206.130 12:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I personally think the "Near Death Experience" section should be moved up in the "timeline". Why not have it after the 1986 model section? It doesn't make sense to read the timeline, and then after it gets to '93, have it reference the mid 80's. Just a though. Comments?

--Othtim 21:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Poor representations, i.e. the images suck Part II

Dumpy, bad photoquality base model images have crept their way back into the SN-95 section again. somebody please replace these with GT pictures, for the reasons discussed above CJ DUB 18:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

There should be good quality pictures represenattive of the full range of Mustang models. There's more to the Mustang than just Cobras, Mach 1, fastbacks/hatchbacks and convertibles! In other words, get some pictures of the coupes in the article. And when more is added to the Mustang II section, be sure to get pictures of the production version of the King Cobra. That red and black one with the flared airdam and rear spats that don't roll under the sides was the styling prototype. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 07:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

I disagree completely, with the "there's more to.." bit. This page should show what are the best example of a mustang, for the intended purpose: performance and style; and as part of of an encylocpaedic article this should be pictures of the GT (see SN-95). There is no need to show every model. This is what the gallery is for. You don't go to the Porsche page and see VW 914 model AT ALL, even though this was a big seller, because its not represenative of what Porsche is all about. On this page you have THREE pictures of the Mustang II, some the same pic. CJ DUB 16:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mustang II

The front fenders were NOT changed to fit the V8. Other than mounting holes and studs for trim, the front fenders are identical for all years of Mustang II. The hood, grille, front header, radiator support, radiator, oilpan, front anti-sway bar, transmission bellhousings, flywheel/flexplate, clutch/torque convertor, right exhaust manifold, engine mounts and frame brackets were changed or new parts to fit the V8. The gas cap was moved to above the side crease and a new second fuel tank was installed in the left rear wheel well. That tank was optional with the 4 or 6 cylinder.

A T-Top option was farmed out to a 3rd party beginning in 1976. Any source claiming the T-Top was only available in 1977 and 1978 is wrong. I've personally seen/owned/worked on three 1976 T-Top Mustang IIs. I've tried to find out which company did the T-Top, most likely candidates are Wagner's Motortown, who did the 1976 Cobras, or American Sunroof Company (now called American Specialty Cars).

There were three variants of the Mustang II unibody. 1974, 1975-1976 and 1977-1978. Aside from the changes at the front to accomodate the V8 in 1975, the other changes were mainly in the inside structure behind the door openings and in the door sills as changes were made in the front seatbelt system. 1978 hatchbacks have provisions for mounting rear seat shoulder belts to the rear pillars behind the quarter windows. I've been unable to find out if 1977 hatchbacks or 1977-1978 coupes also had rear shoulder belt mounts. Rear shoulder belts were never factory fitted on the Mustang II, at least not in the USA.

The MPG and Stallion models were not the same car. The MPG was a no-options, 4 cylinder while the Stallion had the big stallion decals on the front fenders, a three spoke 'sport' steering wheel with stallion design in the horn button and other trim features.

The King Cobra came standard with the 302 V8 and 4-speed manual transmission, heavy duty front anti-sway bar and rear anti-sway bar. It could be ordered with the 3-speed C4 automatic but few were.

The only other Mustang II to NOT have the 4 cylinder as its standard engine was the Mach 1, which had the V6 as its base.

There are only two special packages coded in the Mustang II VIN, the Ghia coupes and the Mach 1. The Cobra, King Cobra, Stallion, MPG, Ghia Sport and any others can only be authenticated via build sheets, the buck tag or through reports available through a 3rd party who obtained all the original invoices when Ford was going to throw them away. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 03:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

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