Talk:Forced suicide

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The WTC jumpers were not forced to commit suicide in this sense. Also, the picture is not used fairly to illustrate this article. It would be "fair" to use it to illustrate the WTC jumpings but using it in other contexts is at best questionable. Grace Note 01:56, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

They were forced by the fire. Forced suicide implies the choice of suicide as the better alternative. In this case it was a choice between suicide and death by fire. They choose suicide.--God Ω War 04:20, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

There's actually quite a bit of discussion on whether most of the "jumpers" (and I use that word with some reservations) actually chose to jump. It may have very well been that the body's fight-or-flight response took over and they ran away from overwhelming heat and/or fire without consciously choosing to jump. Many may also have fallen accidentally as they tried to attract attention from the many helicopters that were flying around the WTC on that morning. We'll never know, so perhaps assuming without question that those who fell jumped deliberately is unfair. --Charlene.fic 00:00, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Forced suicide does not merely imply the choice of suicide as the better alternative, it is more than that. A person suffering from disease may also choose suicide as a better alternative, but that is not specifically "forced suicide". --Ezeu 05:06, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that's forced suicide. Suicide, in itself, is a better alternative for some, doesn't mean it's forced suicide. I think the line such as suffering torture in the intro paragraph needs to be removed or clarified. Gflores ^Talk 00:15, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. When I saw "suffering torture" I immediately thought of the WTC jumpers. Perhaps something can be said about the torture being inflicted by a hostile enemy? That could still leave open the ambiguity that the terrorists caused the fire, but I think it makes things a tiny bit clearer. -Etoile 13:57, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I think Stalin's victims should be included in this, the many that he put the gun down on the table and walked away, said the NKVD or equivelent would be coming soon to arrest and torture them.

[edit] Culture

This sounds callous, i know, but would it be worth mentioning the film Se7en? Might involve a spoiler warning, though. One of the victims dies in a "forced suicide" kind of way. Malrase 16:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

It's 100% fictional. It's no more relevant to the real world of forced suicide than the bizarre and melodramatic crap-movie Titanic was to the real event, wherein over 1,500 people died in horrible agony. --Charlene 00:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC)