Talk:Force lightning

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Removed the redirect and moved the content from the Force Powers page to here. The reason is that the Force Lightning section was becoming ridiculously long and there was no way to integrate commentary on Vader's limitation into the Darth Vader article (which is already pressed for space). If anyone sees any problems with creating a specific page for Force Lightning, be my guest and state your objections here. Such a move has precedent, though: Jedi Mind Trick. -- Solberg 00:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)Solberg

[edit] Requested move to Force lightning

Per here. If anyone wants to discuss, make note here. --Wooty Woot? contribs 03:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Starwars.com is very coy about it, however there is the following sentence on the Palpatine page:

In the Death Star, high above the Battle of Endor, Luke refused the Emperor's newfound dark side power, and so Palpatine used his deadly Force lightning to attack the young Jedi.

I say that's evidence enough to move to Force lightning.--Codenamecuckoo 14:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose move. Article is so badly in need of cleanup that it is impossible to figure out what is going on. Why is the "Force" capitalized in the link to the physics meaning of force in the opening paragraph, for example? Or why would it be capitalized in "Force lightning" as in the cited web page, rather than the more proper "force lightning"? One example of an also-badly capitalized use on a web page is not reason for moving an article. Gene Nygaard 16:54, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Because Force is a proper noun in this context. The meaning of "force" in a physics sense is not the same as The Force in a Star Wars sense. Lightning, though, is, and that's why it should be moved. --Wooty Woot? contribs 22:07, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

That argument is fine for the webpage, but self-contradictory for the article. The link in the article should either be lowercase (physics) or capitalized (per The Force). The physics meaning isn't a proper noun. Dekimasu 10:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I understand what you mean. Fixed (links to The Force rather than force now). --Wooty Woot? contribs 20:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

• Support per naming conventions. That the article needs cleanup is not a reason to prevent a valid page move. Dekimasu 10:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

*Support - this article is about the physics terminology, and the Star Wars stuff should be a different article. -Patstuart^talk|edits 21:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Pat, there is no physics terminology of "force lightning", therefore, it's fine at either Force lightning or Force Lightning. --Wooty Woot? contribs 01:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I moved the article, per the above discussion. The only opposition to the move seems to be on the grounds that the article needs cleanup, which is not an argument against moving it to a properly capitalized title; quite the contrary. -GTBacchus^(talk) 19:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Perhaps move back?

To me, that does not seem sufficient evidence to move it to Force lightning. The Jedi Knight Dark Forces II (first game to allow players to use Force Powers) manual has it as Force Lightning. The WoTC Jedi Counseling page (discussing the D20 version of Star Wars) here [1] also has it as Force Lightning. Also, most of the other Force Powers seem to be usually capitalized so it would be odd that this is an exception. On the other hand, the Star Wars wiki page has it as Force lightning. However, they could've gotten it wrong too (and they're just a secondary source in any case). Note that despite their use of Force lightning, most of their other powers are also capitalized [2]. -- Solberg 23:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)Solberg

Game manuals are not considered even close to the databank canon-wise. --Wooty Woot? contribs 03:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

My point is that the databank may not have been trying to refer to the actual power's name but its identification, i.e. let's say that "Force Lightning" was the proper way, you could still say Obi-wan unleashed Force lightning because "Force Lightning" is the name of the power, and the power is embodied in lightning. Let me see if I can put this another way for you to understand. In a certain fairytale, there might be a hero known as The Badger, who is in fact a badger. You can refer to him as "The Badger" or as "the badger [was walking along the muddy road]" and both would be correct, but his official title would be The Badger. Also, Dark Forces II is at a much higher level of canonicity than the other Star Wars games. -- Solberg 01:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Solberg

[edit] Other minor notes.

Just a thought that Force Lighting may be a magnification of the bio-electric energy present in life forms. I don't know if this was ever proposed in any of the canonical works, but just what I was thinking.

A note on alignment: Luke Skywalker comes to the conclusion that there is no light and dark side of the force, it's more in how someone uses it. Explaining why he could pull from the 'Dark' side and yet not feel any evil. Albeit, Luke's views are not exactly popularly held. In all honesty, if he were around during the Republic's Jedi Council he'd probably be seen as a radical heretic.

Also, the note on KOTOR, I'm going to revise that a bit, the lighting is still projected from the caster's hands, it just arcs up and out.

TotalTommyTerror 17:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)