Talk:For Whom the Bell Tolls
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[edit] too many links
Under 'Main Themes' Every word is linked. This should be corrected. 134.106.199.5 13:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sources?
Is this a summary of critical literature, or someone's original critical reading of the novel? It seems to alternate between the two, sometimes reading like a paper, making a claim and supporting it with a quotation from the novel, and then there will be parts like-
"Some have said that it was a signal of him giving in to the demands of Hollywood directors who wanted books that can be easily used as scripts, while others consider it a signal of him disassociating himself from the protagonist, maybe because of superstition (it brings bad luck to write about one's own end), but more likely because of his inner struggle that will be explained later (Pablo )."
-which reads like secondary research (maybe that is why it's needlessly oblique?).
I'd prefer if whoever wrote the majority of this content could clean it up his/herself, since (s)he'd know where things came from, but in the meantime I'll work on putting together a more encyclopedic, less close-reading, style article.--Hal 19:37, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Question about language in the book
My copy of the book has frequent passages along the lines of "I unprintable in the milk of your mothers." Was the original novel self-censored in this fashion or is my copy a bowlderized version? Just curious.
- Yes, the original is like that. It is quite typical of Hemingway's writing. (Themusicinmyhead 07:07, 24 November 2005 (UTC))
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- I assume that it's also a function of the times. Publishers in the 1940s might have refused to print a book with that much profanity in it had Hemingway not substituted for the expletives. | Klaw Talk 17:19, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
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- Hemingway did this partly due to the times and partly because he believed that any translation of spanish to english obscenities would lose their effect, he states this in an interview.
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[edit] Donne quote
The Donne quote was incomplete and inconsistently formatted. I changed it to a transcription in modern English, since attempts to reproduce the original "faithfully" without using photographs are probably doomed to failure. One example of trying to reproduce the original (different from what the article had) is
No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine; if a Clod bee washed away by the Sea, Europe is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as well as if a Mannor of thy friends or of thine owne were; any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.
Considering that spelling and formatting weren't quite as standardized in 1624 as they are now, there is probably little to gain from trying to be "exact" about this. 82.92.119.11 22:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Introductory Material
I've reorganized the introductory material so that it's more consistent with other Wiki articles, and in a way which I think makes more logical sense. More specifically, I simply moved the material under "Plot Introduction" and moved it to the beginning of the article, after the introductory sentence -- there aren't any plot spoilers here so there should't be any problems. --Todeswalzer 23:05, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
How is "death" a theme!?
