Talk:Folk punk

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Contents 1 The Levellers 2 Anarchy Heart? 3 Pogues 4 Spoonboy 5 Against Me! 6 Patrik Fitzgerald 7 Cleanup tag 8 Inaccuracies

[edit] The Levellers

This page is quite US-centric. Definitely needs reference to the Levellers - they triggered a huge wave of interest in folk-punk in the late '80s/'90s in the UK. Shall I add a reference? Shinji nishizono

They also border on Celtic-Punk, but I think they're not too specific and would fit this article (I could be wrong, I'm not entirely familiar with their work). You could add it here or to Celtic-Punk (or to both). Use your best judgement.149.43.x.x 16:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm a little late in this discussion, but I'm not sure if I'd consider the levellers punk at all. I love their music, don't get me wrong, but I can't here any real punk influence at all. Seems more like celtic folk than celtic punk or folk punk. I won't remove it though unless others agree with me. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 09:21, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

It varies from song-to-song, but the overall "style and attitude" of the band is folk-punk. e.g. see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyXN8G--MPM

[edit] Anarchy Heart?

I don't think I've seen the anarchy heart used by any other folk punk bands except Bombs and Beating Hearts. I know we did not invent it. I'm just saying I don't see how it is a significant symbol in folk punk.

also, I would like to see more about Patrik Fitzgerald and some other early folk punks. I put that he may be the first folk punk, just because I thought it was worth being in there. but i do not like it's positioning in the article, and I think there should be more to the origins of the genre included.Bombsandbeatinghearts 17:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I've never seen this heart thing either, and many of the folk-punk types I know are rather more on the punk end of the spectrum; they wouldn't be entirely happy with that logo any more than the Exploited would be to be playing a Straight-edge all-ages show.... I'd suggest the removal of the image unless there's a source someone can cite for it. Xinit 01:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Nor have I, though I'm not very deep in the folk punk scene. I always thought it was more of a christian anarchist thing myself. I'm removing the section about it as well, unless someone can site some kind of source that this is in fact a common folk punk symbol. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 09:24, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

The new Disarm! Disarm! layout makes use of the Anarchy Heart, and nearly all the folk punk kids I know (including myself) do as well. Wishing Well folks tend to, though our website doesn't show it. Canæn 08:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Update I now also use the symbol. I made a stencil patch of it which is now on my jacket in place of the lame punk-style circle-A which I never really liked much anyway. I've been seeing it more and more. I read a story on infoshop.org that was from a Paradise Valley corporate paper about a graffiti spree with peace signs and the anarchy heart. Some stupid cop was like, "We think it is kids because true anarchists would not put a heart next to it (an anarchy symbol)." Lol! Here's the cached version of the page since Infoshop is down right now for some reason. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 09:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I was always told that it was the image used for FolkAnarchism, from the likes of Crimethinc and the Curious George Brigade. I could be wrong.

[edit] Pogues

how can a folk-punk page not mention the pogues? possibly in my opinion the most famous punk/folk band. is there any criteria i dont know of? just curious DR Sloganx

The Pogues are Celtic punk.149.43.x.x 17:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

The phrase "Celtic Punk" isn't used in Britain. The Pogues are most definitely considered Folk Punk. Since folk-punk is the combination of any traditional native music (not just American Country and Western) and punk rock, the article should accept that bands such as the Pogues (Irish Folk), The Levellers (English folk) and Gogol Bordello (Eastern European folk) do fit the category.

But the phrases each have specific meaning and their difference is important. Read Folk music, where it explains a bit about how usage and so forth help define the category. In this context, the terms "folk punk" and "Celtic punk" differentiate between two types of music that are very different. I've added a note about punk sub-genres that mix with other types of folk music. I believe this is appropriate. Additional examples analogous to Celtic punk are welcome - I just don't know any more off the top of my head. 149.43.x.x 03:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with you on this point. I wonder if there's any way we can get a consensus of opinion on this matter. I feel that your definition of folk-punk as being punk-flavoured traditional American music is ethnocentric. I would (and I believe most non-Americans) see Celtic punk as a subset of folk punk rather than an alternate category. I'm not suggesting merging the articles, but folk-punk does not refer specifically to the blend of American folk music with punk. In Britain, the specific definition of Folk-Punk is the combination of traditional British music with punk (your definition would be "country punk"). In America, the definition is the combination of traditional American music and punk. Doesn't this suggest that folk-punk is just a combination of the local traditional music and punk rock?Shinji nishizono 12:29, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm happy to consider it a sub-catagory, rather than a parallel one. That was not my intention, to alienate or separate other genres. My worry was that your suggestion was to erase the boundary between two (or more) significantly different styles of music. The way in which I drew the distinction was not meant to be an integral part of my argument, and I'm sorry if it came across as to separate things. I'll reword my revision slightly to make it more subcategorical. Thanks for your input. 149.43.x.x 19:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spoonboy

Spoonboy does not consider himself folk. He is acoustic pop-punk.

[edit] Against Me!

Against Me! started in Naples Fl. not Gainsville. They eventually moved there after gaining a little popularity since Naples is the middle of nowhere.

[edit] Patrik Fitzgerald

as far as i know, patrik fitzgerald was the firt guy to really do folk punk. someone took that out of the article. can someone put it back in and do a good job about it? maybe in an origins section?

Not that I disagree, but do you have sources at all? I do appreciate that sources in these sorts of articles are hard to find. Just curious.149.43.x.x 04:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

all i have is his greatest hits on Cherry Red Records which says the dates that they were all recorded and they are very early. like 77-78. um. can't find much about him on the internet. his site right now is myspace.com/patrikfitzgerald

[edit] Cleanup tag

This article contains far too many instances of external links appearing directly in running text; this is not proper Wikipedia format. Links in the body of the article are to be internal links to other Wikipedia articles. If a band named in the article isn't notable enough to have its own article, then it isn't notable enough to be named in this article — especially not when the article has somehow managed to completely ignore more patently obvious notables such as Phranc or The Weakerthans. Bearcat 10:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, although to be fair, I think bands that one considers "ignored" ought to be a separate discussion from the bands that aren't notable. I might take a crack at cleaning it up when I'm not so busy. Cheeser1 17:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inaccuracies

For the record, Team Losing is not from Greensburg, PA. They're from Lancaster, PA, almost 600 miles away from Greensburg. I have a feeling someone wrote that from Greensburg, as Greensburg is in the middle of nowhere and not a good representative town of the state of Pennsylvania. I'm changing that right now. Wesweaver 01:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)