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[edit] Other Bands

Please try to limit the other bands you mention on the page, remember this is about Flyleaf, that's the reason I removed a couple, also to make it look neater, hope no one minds.

[edit] This Band

Yes they are born again christians, but they are not labeled as a christian band.


It's been established already.

[edit] Holy Made Up Statistic Batman

From the article "Probably 50% of the people who first hear one of Flyleaf's mainstream songs don't know that they are Christian." I have no idea who added it, but that definitely doesn't belong in here and as such I'm removing it.

[edit] This is not a forum

A discussion Page is not a forum, please don't discuss your thoughts, discuss additions, deletions, and alterations here.

[edit] disambiguous needed

a flyleaf is: a blank leaf in the front or the back of a book.

[edit] Christian?

I love this band. I've seen them in concert twice now, and were one of the best each time. I'm just confused about something. Why are they considered Christian-based? Have they said this? It's just not the impression I get. DaftPenguu 08:36, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Their song, "All Around Me" was released by the band on the christian radio circut. Also many of their songs have symbolic references to Jesus. Such as in the song "So I thought", where the lyrics actually say "And all these twisted thoughts I see, Jesus there inbetween". Other songs, such as "Red Sam", also have some references to the religion, ex: "And I worship, And I worship, And I worship, And I worship. You are the truth. Outscreaming these lies, you are the truth. Saving my life". In the song "Cassie", there are also the lyrics "Do you believe in God? written on the bullet." Lindsey8417 02:22, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The noun

Any chance of a disambig for the actual noun, like in a book? --maru (talk) contribs 04:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yes, they are Christian.

It is obvious that they are a Christian band. Listen to their lyrics! They also claim to be a Christian band. The hit "I'm So Sick" isn't a secular song. "I'm So Sick" has haunting and creepy lyrics that portray an individual who has a viral disease of self and wants to break free from earthly passions. "Sorrow" begins as a mid-tempo rock piece that contains glimpses of depression, but shows a yearning for spiritual guidance as Lacey Mosley utters the words "Sorrow lasts through this night and I'll take this piece of You, and hold for all eternity; for just one second I felt whole... as You flew right through me." The song "All Around Me" speaks about desiring to have a stronger relationship with the Father, while the Evanescence feel of "Fully Alive" is about a young girl who yearns to escape the abuse of her family by finding comfort in the arms of a loving God. The beautiful ballad "There For You" is all about finding trust and strength in a true friend who will never let one down despite the selfishness of their past mistakes. Arguably the best song on the album lyrically is "Perfect," which is blatant in proclaiming "Perfect in weakness, I'm only perfect in just Your strength alone."

So now try and say that they aren't a Christian band.

That's fine, but if you know so much about groups in the genre, you should know that Evanescence is commonly mistaken for Christian music but clearly say that they're not, but I guess that really doesn't change what they are. Anyhow, what's with the pop-punk/hard rock tag? They're pretty different and somebody should put one or the other. I'm not a fan of this group, but my younger sister listens to them and they might sound like this: Melodic hardcore

Rabid coathangers eat da world 11:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


Yes, I know this.

That's weird 'cause most of those mentions are very minor. The song that said "Do you believe in God? written on the bullet." was more of a reference to Columbine than Christianity. What's also strange is that other bands have larger mention than Flyleaf's stuff, like Panic! At the Disco. They have a constant mention of God in their tracklistings, yet they're not considered Christian. System of a Down has some mentions, but they're not Christian. In fact there's lots of bands like that...

The Wretched

True, but they make quite a few references to God. Its not just one or two here or there. To me it seems like there is at least one refrence to God in each of thier songs.

Just the mention of God does not mean that a band is Christian, yes, but Flyleaf doesn't just mention God, they praise Him. In the song "Cassie", they say " say yes to pull the trigger". At the end of the song, she says "And I will pull the trigger", saying clearly that she believes in God. In the song "Red Sam", she says, "You are the Truth, out screaming these lies, You are the Truth, saving my life", then later she says "And I worship, and I worship, and I worship, and I worship". And plus, the mentions of God are NOT "minor". They are not ashamed of their faith in God.

Well, to put it this way, if the members of Flyleaf are Christians, they just incorporate a little bit of their beliefs into their songs, but I wouldn't just refer to them as a Christian band

This debate seems kind of illogical, given that on the article for Moseley, it is stated that she is an outspoken Atheist and it notes that she is the vocalist for an Alternative Rock band. Someone needs to make up their mind because this confusion is ridiculous. 71.156.94.2 18:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
"Throughout her earlier years, she was an outspoken atheist. [...] After her grandmother forced her to go to church, Mosley experienced something supernatural that brought her to God. "My life totally changed after that." That pretty clearly states that she is currently a Christian, I believe you may have misunderstood the first sentence. --64.199.239.197 01:39, 29 June 2006 (UTC) Min
I've silently watched this article for a while now, and there seems to be no end to the debate on whether or not they are a "Christian band" which has raged on this page since the release of their recent album. Therefore, unless we have verifiable and reliable sources saying that they are a Christian band (perferably from the horse's mouth), the classification should either be removed or rephrased accordingly. We are, after all, a tertiary source and are not a hub for unreliable, original views and research. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud — WP:PORN BIO? 01:19, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
There's this saying about ducks you've probably heard; if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and adores breadcrumbs like a duck, Vegas money says it's a duck. In this case we have a band that is played on CCM radio, that is sold in Christian stores, and that writes and performs music with clear religious content. Additionally, members of the band openly profess to be Christian. It's not the place of the "horse's mouth" to argue their demographic realities -- Celine Dion can say she's heavy metal all she wants, but if they're playing her on soft rock and adult contemporary stations, then that is her demographic. I appreciate your efforts at pointing out a perceived argumentum ad ignorantiam, but the band's standing as a CCM act is well established. --64.199.239.197 00:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC) Min
If that's the case, then why the fuss? Cite it and the the problem will be solved (or it'll solve itself). -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud — WP:PORN BIO? 04:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

They are a Christian Band. Ask them yourselves next time they tour near you. IronCrow 03:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Read articles on them. Lacey clearly states that her faith saved her life, and most of the record reflects that. Yeah.

FLyleaf stated in an interview that they ARE a Christian band. My sister and I had this same argument before ... She finally came to me one night and said, "You were right; they are Christians. They said so in one of their interviews." Then she showed it to me. Mosely said that they're often asked whether or not they're Christian, to which she responded, "And yeah, we are all Christians. And what you believe in really comes out in your music." With those sentences she admitted her Faith, and called the band "Christian," as well as stating the lyrics have very intentional Christian themes (even if sometimes coated with ambiguity). The whole idea of many of their songs, she went on, was about pain and suffering and making a good situation out of something bad.

  • Maybe there's no doubt they're a Christian band meaning that all of the band members are Christian, but even with the many references listed here I don't believe they ought to be called a "Christian Rock" band. If you read the lyrics there is not one mention of Christ and only a few mentions of a God. Overall Flyleaf's music is very secular. eLeigh33 22:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

You are so wrong. God and Christ are basically the same person. There music is not very secular. In an interview with somebody, I can't remember who, Lacey said that "all our songs points to God in some way, form, or fasion". The song don't have to mention God's name. She could be talking to God. They even call themselves a "Christian" band. If you would pay attention to what they are trying to say, it's obvious that all of the songs point to God.

I really honestly don't see why this is still be debated. Here's a quote from Lacey, found on Flyleafonline.com -

"Lacey: "We all share the same faith. And so when we deal with the whole 'Christian band thing', we kind of think about something POD says, like, 'If you're a Christian, it affects everything in your life. So if you're a plumber, does that make you a Christian plumber?' I don't know the answer. We're a band, it's part of who we are, so it comes out in our music, and it's the fuel for what we do. And finding faith saved my life. So I'm not ashamed of it at all. And most of our album reflects that."

[edit] Discog

Okay, isn't every band supposed to have at least a Discography list? I know we have the link to the site, but I was under the impression that bands need a discography...

The Wretched

[edit] Who wrote this?

I'm reading this article, and it doesn't seem objective to me. It seems like it tries to incite excitment and hype, kinda like the bio you would find on a band website or MySpace account, or in the insert of a CD. I don't know, I haven't read the full article, but the first few sections seem like this to me. Any thoughts? Am I crazy?

[edit] Punk?

How is this a punk band? I think this should go into the category of alt metal, if such a category exists. Gopherbassist 02:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Dude... this is a wiki. If you can make it more objective, please go ahead.Stefan McKinley 10:52, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Relevant External Link Addition

From Wikipedia guidelines on what external links should include: "3. Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) or other reasons. 4. Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews."

FlyleafOnline is a website that contains large amounts of information that is not found in this article or on the band's official website. A summary of the additional factual information that can be found there: Many written and recorded interviews, reviews, and articles (some of which are quoted in this wikipedia article); historical band accounts from family members; a comprehensive discography; equipment setup diagrams; official lyrics to non-album songs; a properly labeled and categorized photo gallery of nearly 5,000 images; band-quoted song meanings; various other facts and figures about such things as chart history, video shoots, producers, recording studios, record label information, band member facts, etc.

Any comments or suggestions as to why it shouldn't be put in the external links? Snake308 03:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vocoder use?

My only exposure to Flyleaf has been through secular radio airplay; both singles I've heard so far have vocals that sound heavily processed, perhaps with a vocoder. Is there any merit to this observation? (To be on topic, if there is such, it'd be worthwhile to add this info to the article...) Student Driver 05:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

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