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Contents 1 Mr C part two 2 W.S. Gilbert 3 Smith 4 Goethean is at it again 5 User:Cyde 6 User:Aminto The Da Vinci Game 7 neoplatonism & gnosticism 8 Deathtrap (play) 9 Thank you 10 RFA Thanks 11 OMG 12 Sorry 13 Dicksdick (talk • contribs) 14 Fair use images 15 re: links 16 Re: Paulus RFAr 17 email 18 Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #2 19 2004 Ukranian child pornography raids 20 Chad Smith and Johnc1 21 "city hick"? 22 n&g 23 thanks 24 County flowers 25 Got your message... 26 Take Three Reminder: Dana Reeve 27 Patricia Cornwell 28 Thanks 29 Thanks 30 Thanks, but no thanks... 31 I need your help 32 Now hiring deletion? 33 Ryan4 and NPA 34 Old Skool Esperanzial note 35 Gracias 36 Thank you 37 SCOTW 38 Comment? 39 Just another RFA thank you note 40 My RfA 41 Roses for you 42 rfa 43 Congratulations! 44 Your RfA 45 Thank you 46 A landslide victory for The JPS (aka RFA thanks) 47 Congratulations 48 Congratulations 49 Thanks for the support on my RfA! 50 RfA 51 My RFA 52 Thank you! 53 Welcome 54 Congrats 55 Rape shield law 56 Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3 57 Fletcher 58 Thanks for voting 59 classical liberalism 60 Your question at my RFA 61 Your revert at ANI 62 VandalProof 1.2 Now Available 63 Thank-you 64 Help 65 You following me around deleting my talk page messages... 66 Thanks (Re:Nice to meet you & Re:Your RFA)

[edit] Mr C part two

Flo I have been out of town and haven't had much time to contribute here lately but thank you kindly for the links and info on State physician impairment programs. I thought this sort of riff raff ended 10 years ago. Astonishing.

Also, I saw where you removed three reference books/links I added to the cult article. I am going to address that on the talk page there. Basically - why? :-)

Anyhow, thanks again Mr Christopher 04:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Flo, I wrote this enormous narrative at the cult talk page and then thought it might be more appropriate here. I am still trying to figure out some of the norms of where these conversations belong. Feel free to copy or move this to the talk page (or my own) if you think it belongs elsewhere.

Here goes:

Flo, thanks for your reply and we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. And here is why - You wrote,

"I know for example that many people go to AA under the threat of penality like losing MD/RN lic., court mandated diversion programs, or a condition for parole. This is not something that someone would expect to happen with a cult"

Agreed. And that is not something that someone would expect to happen with a religion either. Yet in the 5 or so federal and state court cases where the religiosity and mandated attendance of Alcoholics Anonymous has been challenged, in each case A.A. has been found by the courts to be "a religion", "religious", and/or "religious movement" and thus ruled in favor of the plaintiff. The United States Supreme Court heard one of those contested cases and they too ruled for the plaintiff. Not exactly what one who goes to AA under the threat of penalty would expect. But the fact that the majority of people are not aware of this, and therefore would not expect it, does not mean it doesn't exist.

So what people may expect might not necessarily reflect what actually has been proven. And I don't think the majority opinion (whether positive or negative) ought to silence the observations, research findings and conclusions (opinions) from those minority voices who have not reached the masses.

And you said this article had sufficient cult/new religious movment cites, yet it does not have a single one related to popular recovery movements that are embraced by the masses. Movements that have been the subject of a significant body of work by legitimate researchers and even court cases. On the other hand, and correct me if I am mistaken, but I don't think anyone would object if I posted links to research regarding Scientology because popular opinion is not favorable towards Scientology. I think we live in a culture that is very uncomfortable at times examining "religious movements" that the majority perceives are benefitial. I think there is a resistance at times to examine these groups and the minority voice who has done the examination and posits conclusions that portray something other than widely held beliefs are viewed as negative. The negative "tag" is not based on the merits of the research done by the minority, but because the conclusions contradict the majority opinion and their expectations. As a Wiki reader, I am always interested in the ideas of both the majority and minority. That is how I reach my own conclusions and feel like I am making an informed decision.

And we're talking about links here, not offensive or POV article content that tries to dog AA. So in my own mind I thought these cites were highly relevant.

You know by now (or I hope you do) I have a good deal or respect for your opinion here and I have appreciated your input and support, but on this one you and I will have to agree to disagree. I am cool with that.  :-) Mr Christopher 07:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] W.S. Gilbert

Right! Thanks for the help so far! I've checked the quotes I've used, and one MAY be in copyright, another definately is, but both of these seem to come under fair use, as they're short, to the point, and relatively far from the key reasons for getting the things they quote from anyway. The Quotes from La Viviandre are DEFINATELY out of copyright, since I got them from an ancient Victorian libretto I photocopied at the National Liberary of Scotland, and their author died in 1911. I've given my reasons for why I think the questionable quotes are fair use on the Discussion Page at that article. Have I done it correctly? Adam Cuerden 20:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smith

It would be good for someone to take him in hand if you're willing to do it. He seems at least to be willing to listen if you feel like it. Best · Katefan0^(scribble)/poll 22:04, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

The site at [1]] is run by United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians members. They have about a dozen folks they are mobilizing to vandalize that article. Just to let you know to expect vandalism and postings from several ranges from these folks. They have three active folks behaving as meatpuppets to vandalize the article. I tried to reason with them today (I doubt you folks speak Cherokee but I do and tried to restrain them) to no avail. The UKB Chief is apparently using this group for POV pushing to hide the embarrassments of the prosecutions and other materials. Just to to be a little bird and let you know what's up here. They are Cherokee so they won't stop. You need to go to indefinite blocks are it will just continue. 67.169.249.44 01:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Goethean is at it again

Neoplatonism and Gnosticism he has put the article up for delection AGAIN. How is deleting this article not retailation and censureship? LoveMonkey 01:42, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Fresh action here. I thought we had been over this. --DanielCD 01:50, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Cyde

...is going about adding nonsense to people's userpages. I've never blocked an admin-level user before, so could you second my comments on his talk page if you agree? --DanielCD 02:06, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Some kind of April fools thing. These people are characters. --DanielCD 02:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I was looking through his contrib list, thinking he must be drunk, then it hit me April 1. --FloNight ^talk 02:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

This is bullshit. I ought to... well maybe I'll just go play a game.

No harm done. But I wish they wouldn't do that. That could really start a fight. --DanielCD 02:22, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

The talk on his talk page seems to indicate he's been blocked. Since so much BS has been flying over the last 12 hours, I don't know if that's true or not. But whatever. He may have been blocked before this started, which make my momentary ideation of blocking him even more of a cute deal.

These people are characters. --DanielCD, March 31

--DanielCD 15:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Aminto The Da Vinci Game

Hi FloNight, Many thanks for creating the article on The Da Vinci Game - I really appreciate it! I went to update the arbitration page, but couldn't find it. Did you remove it from there? If so, thanks again, I wasn't sure where to start the discussion and that seemed the most intuitive place. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aminto (talk • contribs).

Sounds good! I don't have any preference myself on what happens with the article, but if there's a good stub to be made there, great, and nice comments to Aminto, too. (Though I have to admit I was tickled at the chance to make a statement on an RfAr from the other side!) Mindspillage (spill yours?) 08:45, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] neoplatonism & gnosticism

I have had this article reviewed by professor Moore. I have the email. I can forwatd it to you. Professor Moore is part of the international neoplatonic society. I have not add more to article because I am corresponding with him. Please of members http://www.isns.us/directory/america-canada/index.htm http://www.isns.us/directory/europe/index.htm

This is the whos who of philosophy. Goethian is EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE CRITIZED WIKIPEDIA ABOUT. Your poster posts new age groups in California as sources for ancient greek culture (Noetic). Not greek scholars. He is openly made fun of online and wikipedia indirecty because of him. See the falk blog as one of his own examples. Because of some of the ridiculous nonsense articles(see the historically incorrect nonsense article- Gnosticism and the New Testament- for pure shame and embarassment) also because of the embaressingly stupid fighting on wikipedia I can not get scholars to come and post here. This article as well as the made up theory posted under plotinus' bio are fantastic examples. I was able to get this scholar [|Professor Moore] out of the kindness of his heart to review an article that a new age @#$% is now suggesting be DELETED. LoveMonkey 04:52, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deathtrap (play)

I'm sorry to bother you again, but I found a fantastically inappropriate redirect: [2] and don't know what to do. The linked article has no information on the play. Adam Cuerden 18:55, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Hello FloNight, how are you? Thanks for your support in my RFA. The final vote count was (88/3/1), so I am now an administrator. I am very humbled by your comments and your vote of support. Please let me know if at any stage you require assistance, or if you have comments on how I am doing as an administrator. Once again thank you and with kind regards Gryffindor 19:08, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RFA Thanks

Thank you for your support vote on my RFA. The final result was a successful request based on 111 support and 1 oppose. --CBDunkerson 20:52, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OMG

Well Ms. Lolicon of 2006 is finally gone. What a long, tiring, distracting process. Unbe-freaken-lievable how many people think this image should be included who are not trolls or idiots. Fair-use activists wore me down on the IfD, but the overall problem is people who are like "Well in some cultures its OK to do such-and-such but not such-and-such, why should we delete this but not the Mohammed pictures, because after all who can say what's 'right' and 'wrong'?" (To which I feel like answering Um, how about people who have the moral sense that God gave sheep"). Not to mention political sense. Erg. Anyway, thanks for being there, it felt good to have you by my side. Herostratus 14:27, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

I am sorry for adding nonsense to Wikipedia. I will use the sandbox in future. Jamie.

[edit] Dicksdick (talk • contribs)

Charming.... a username block probably wouldn't have been contested, but it doesn't end up mattering, since all that account has been used for is vandalizing. Blocked. · Katefan0^(scribble)/poll 19:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use images

I notice that you're using fair use images on User:FloNight/DanielCD. However, please note that fair use of copyrighted images cannot be claimed outside mainspace articles - please could you therefore remove these? Thanks, CLW 10:16, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Spooky! Thanks, CLW 10:43, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: links

Yes I understand what you're saying. No, I don't think that links to child porn should be included in articles. At Lolicon, I don't expect people to be reasonable about this. That leaves edit warring or an RfC. I think an RfC would be much the better path. True, you could lose, but if you can't win on an RfC from the whole community, you're sunk anyway. Here's what I drafted to post at talk:Lolicon. I didn't post it, awaiting your thoughts. If you want to post it in your words under your name, that would OK. More than OK really since, although I will surely support you, I don't especially want to be point man on this. But I'll post it myself if desired. If it is posted, my personal recommendation would be to wait a couple days for people to respond/blow of steam before beginning the RfC. Herostratus 20:35, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

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Here's what I'm thinking: the question of external links, not just in this article but in similar articles. Ought there not be a general standard or guideline about external links to objectionable material.

It could be argued that linking to websites of discussion forums and amateur art is not, in general, the function of an encyclopedia. While in many cases perhaps this can be either waived or, if controversial, discussed and decided by the editors involved in the article, on this page I'm not so sure. WP:EL provides some material but not a definitive answer. The talk page at WP:EL indicates that links to any fansites etc. at all is controversial at least.

Therefore I think that the question of disputable links should be taken to an RfC, not in any way with intent to be confrontational, but simply to get an advisory opinion from the larger community.

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• Update: User:Steve block - I think he's doing penance for having argued so effectively against a copyvio disallowance of The Image - removed the link function, keeping it as text only, per this message from Jimbo. I'm not sure what to think about that. Herostratus 08:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Paulus RFAr

I certainly understand the case load, but we've been through two polls and a mediation already. I've offered several compromises and have bent over backwards many, many times as can clearly be seen in the talk pages -- I've continually conceded and redone my suggestions in the hopes that something would finally be accessible to them. But nothing will, and they are clearly not willing to compromise on the issue because every single "suggestion" they offer is a rewrite of the same paragraph that locks the point of the debate out over and over. They act as if they run the Aiken page because they feel they do. The POV is rampant and has crossed the line of reason. I certainly have no plans on dropping it, regardless of that being their ultimate goal. So I don't see a solution possible without intervention. Possibility of rejection or not, I can only hope that the admins realize that nearly a month of having a page protected and the pages upon pages of stuff in the talk show there's a problem that can't be handled between us. I just want this to be over with and short of leaving the debate (which I'm not going to do) I don't think it's ever going to end. - mixvio 03:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I followed all the outlines in the dispute resolution guideline, so I can't think of any steps I missed. This issue has been going on for over a month and during all this time I've tried very hard to manage the issue on my own. I'm not the only person arguing my position - not by a long shot, and if I were I'd let it go. But I'm the most prolific and it's immensely frustrating that the issue's been hijacked by people who run out to grab their friends and leave messages on forums to harass me. In response to your questions:

What are you trying to accomplish with the RFAr?

I'm trying to have the debate ended fully and completely. Note, that I don't want it ended with my side in-tact and victorious, I just want the issue decided. I feel that those of us in the debate are incapable of coming to an agreement on our own. I have placed a request for comments and some people took the chance to leave some; I will note in this that most of the ones who came to leave comments left comments in my favor. But regardless, whether my viewpoint is chosen or not, I don't think a solution is going to work without non-appellate intervention. I realize that the admins typically weigh-in on people conflicts, but I can't see any other process to decide content disputes. If it's not settled and taken out of our hands we'll be editing back and forth until we explode.

Are there other methods of dispute resolution that are more appropriate?

I tried all of the steps in the dispute resolution process, and after the failed mediation, the opinion of the mediator was the issue was damaged and not likely to be fixed by us. He suggested the admins.

Will the parties to the dispute be willing to listen to input from the wider Wikipedian community?

This is where I am unsure. I opened the issue to comments from others by posting the request but not as many people came as I hoped they would. I made the request because I feel if the consensus were clearer or there were a stronger majority one way or the other it would make the issue easier to deal with. Unfortunately it's split nearly down the middle. Regardless, while they claim that they'd listen to outsider input, I don't know if I believe they would. The main antagonists in the debate have an almost god-like, religious reverence and I think this issue has transcended into something much, much worse and deeper for them. As I said once, a neutral party would think that Paulus was accusing each of them of having unprotected sex with them with the way they act as if his allegations are a personal attack against themselves.

If yes, do you think a content Rfc is appropriate?

If a clearer consensus came out, or at least a supermajority, I would personally drop my dispute if the consensus/majority showed the view was strongly on their side. If they agreed to the same, there'd be no need for intervention, but unfortunately this hasn't happened.

If no, do you think a behavior Rfc is appropriate for the person not willing to listen to the opinion of the wider community?

If they refused to listen to the majority/consensus if it ruled against them, then ofcourse outside help would be necessary. - mixvio 04:25, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] email

Yes, of course you can email me. I don't know why email isn't active from my user page; I thought I had registered it.

No, I didn't see your comments on the email list yet, it's hard keeping up with everything.

Yeah, the email list is good. I suppose eventually it'll start collecting trolls too, although maybe not since it's moderated.

Yeah I wanted to make a statement on the email list in the next couple days re pedophilia and pedophilia POV on Wikipedia, and maybe point out the existance of the project in case any editors wanted to help out. My statement is not necessarily going to be to your liking, since we don't see eye-to-eye about everything, but that's OK.Herostratus 18:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Where is this email list at? I've never seen it. What is it, do they post the emails we send to each other? --DanielCD 19:21, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #2

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[edit] 2004 Ukranian child pornography raids

Hello Thebainer : ) Thank- you for switching the article name and cleaning up the article. I thought about doing that myself. Much better for you to do it. Hope the unsourced information stays out. --FloNight ^talk 03:58, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it seemed like the most sensible solution. I'll be watching the article closely from now on too. --bainer (talk) 04:23, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Me too FloNight, don't worry about it. Herostratus 01:53, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. --FloNight ^talk 14:31, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Are ya'll going to do a series on the raids that have taken place over the last six years or so? It would be a good source of information for ppl doing research to have a list of KP raids that have happened, as there have been quite a few. --DanielCD 15:03, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I see some stuff at Category:Child pornography crackdowns, but what about the Candyman raid? --DanielCD 15:07, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chad Smith and Johnc1

Hi KateFan0, User:Johnc1 is back and posted defamation in the article again. You may want to take a look at his edits. Sint Holo 19:30, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

FloNight: by way of background, you may find this thread from the "blog" informative: http://www.network54.com/Forum/237458/message/1144111446/Chad+Smith+Re-election+Supporters+Needed -- talks_to_birds 23:50, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "city hick"?

Hi FloNight, did you mean to reinsert "city hick" at White trash#Similar terms? Are you sure it's a real term? --Allen 21:43, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I figured it had to be something like that. --Allen 00:17, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] n&g

THANK YOU! So very very very much..You and danielCD are very unappreciated the guys are the best.. LoveMonkey 03:31, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thanks

Thanks for the help in the Aiken page situation. I've been sitting at your and Will's feet metaphorically for a couple of weeks now. Unfortunately, the PAW project hits a little too close to home for me, so I doubt I could be helpful often. Still, I'm learning by observing. Thanks also for a rv you just made that I didn't dare make, and, if you think it warrants it, there was an accidental deletion here [3]. I appreciate the positive modeling. -Jmh123 03:46, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I look forward to more time for other Wikipedia projects myself. Went to Katefan's page to leave a note of thanks, and saw your comment, so I included a brief addition there. Thanks again! -Jmh123 17:05, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Copying note to you that I also placed on Katefan's page. I'm staying away from Sex scandal--I regret getting involved this morning. Just FYI, most of the sources Rabinid cites did not mention Paulus by name, or make any sort of specific reference other than to "gossip". I believe the only one on his list that does use Paulus' name is the NY Post Page Six (enough said). Thanks again and again. -Jmh123 19:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] County flowers

Following the AfD debate, you may wish to join in a discussion taking place at Talk:Plantlife. SP-KP 18:56, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Got your message...

...I'll definitely keep an eye on him. Thanks for letting me know! · Katefan0^(scribble)/poll 18:34, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Take Three Reminder: Dana Reeve

4/10/06 Just a friendly reminder for you to revisit the Dana Reeve page as you said you would and re-add the stuff that I put in (under both IP's) that you judge to be ok for the profile.

Your fellow Wikipedians are terrible. They scold me in the Talk thing for trying to slip in a reminder to your To Do list in your profile. If you guys are not tolerable to somebody slipping anything in, as minor as it was, then lock your profiles so that nobody else but yourselves can make changes to it so that if others like myself even think of wanting to add anything in it are not able to because it would be closed to outsiders. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.98.154.35 (talk • contribs).

It's not technically wrong, it's just better not to alter ppl's userpages because that's considered their space. --DanielCD 20:46, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Patricia Cornwell

DreamGuy, I'm doing a major rewrite/expansion to bring the article in line with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Please do not revert my edits for the next 24 hours. I think you will be pleased with the final product.

The image at the top of the article can not stay there. Magazine covers should not be used in this manner. We can use it if it is moved lower on the page next to text about her hometown. We need to make reference to the magazine article about her. Of course, I plan to put a different image at the top of the page. After I find some images, I will let other editors choose their favorite for the top of the page. : ) regards, FloNight talk 17:19, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I just got done asking you to give details on what you wanted to do before you did it, and you ignored it. Also, the image at the top of the article most certainly CAN stay there. You don;t understand how Fair Use works if you make that claim. DreamGuy 17:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

DreamGuy, the following policy/guidelines and discussions explain the reason that the current image at the top of Patricia Cornwell does not meet Wikipedia image use policy/guidelines. Wikipedia:Fair use criteria Wikipedia: fair use#Images Template:Fair use in Template talk:Magazinecover

Also see a sample of the changes that I plan to make to Patricia Cornwell here. regards FloNight ^talk 12:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

You know, you would have more credibility if, instead of just listing off a bunch of policies, you actually READ them. There's absolutely nothing at all about your claim that a magazine cover at the top of the page "cannot be used" and magically can be used if lower down on the page. At this point you are just throwing policies out hoping you sound like you know what you are talking about. For the record, I am specifically pretty well educated on copyright laws, so your attempt to BS me isn't going to work. DreamGuy 19:51, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Especially under the circumstances, I gotta hand it to your sticking with it FloNight. Kudos 2 U. Herostratus 09:57, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Herostratus : ) FloNight ^talk 14:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Flonight, I'm too new to know if I'm doing this right, but thanks for the welcome and info.

Letcher Mountaineer 17:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks, but no thanks...

For adding the "welcome" to my talk page, and the talk page itself.

I don't want a talk page, but I do appreciate the sentiment. I will keep it empty, and as soon as I can figure out how to delete it, I will do that (you could do me a favor and delete it for me, since you created it).

The animated graphic at the top of yours is interesting - it reminds me of my dissertation topic. It was about a problem in collaborative computer-mediated user interface technology. I hope you catch my drift.

There is plenty of collaboration in Wikipedia without me having a talk page. I value my privacy, and I prefer to balance it against my comments in this forum.

So, thanks, but no thanks.

Peace and love to you, Flo.

JohnOneOne, you can remove my welcome as you choose. Some people keep them, some remove them. But I think everyone at Wikipedia needs to have a user talk page. You can expect to get plenty of messages if you are activley editing Wikipedia. It is the method that editors use to communicate with each other. Some of the messages, like behavior warning, are suppose to stay visible.

If having a talk page is a big concern, I can refer you to someone else for their opinion. regards, FloNight ^talk 01:44, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Making pages for the newcomers again (shaking head back and forth). Man we need to get a leash on you before you do some real damage. --DanielCD 02:04, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

DanielCD, leash and muzzle. I'm giving unsolicited advive on JzG talk page. [4] FloNight ^talk 02:49, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm noticing that. --DanielCD 03:05, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

How dare you welcome users. Amongst the tribes of the N'kutu Islands, in the 13th century, new users were welcomed by writing "FUCK YOU!!!!!" across their talk pages in large font. Your failure to do this, and instead use Victorian-era nicey-nice so-called "welcome" messages just shows your cultural bias. Herostratus 21:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Don't mind me. You might find this interesting: WP:NOT EVIL. How badly will it be rejected, I wonder. 3-1? 4-1? Maybe I should start a pool. Herostratus 21:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I need your help

Hi Flo, I have been working in harmony with Rjensen to ferret out the Progressivism template and we agreed on discussion - consensus agreement and then adding material. Will Beback has come along and interrupted this process; and refuses to follow our arrangements. What am I to do here? - God, can't that guy leave me alone for once or AGF and discuss with us. --Northmeister 00:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

FloNight, thanks for being a peacemaker. Cheers, -Will Beback 04:35, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Now hiring deletion?

Why did you delete my (and others') comments? --Kickstart70-T-C 18:55, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ryan4 and NPA

You beat me to it. I am losing count of how many times that's happened. I'm thinking next time I feel someone needs an NPA warning, I'll just check Special:Contributions/FloNight instead. (This is my back-handed way of saying Good job! Kudos! etc.) KillerChihuahua^?!? 00:48, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old Skool Esperanzial note

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[edit] Gracias

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[edit] Thank you

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Deryck C. 10:51, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment?

Hi FloNight. I wrote this: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pedophilia Article Watch#The downside of term expansionism. Does that change your thinking any, I was wondering.Herostratus 17:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just another RFA thank you note

Dear Flo, I appreciate your vote and your kind words in my RFA. It has passed with an unexpected 114/2/2 and I feel honored by this show of confidence in me. Cheers! ←Humus sapiens ну? 03:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Thank you for voting at my RFA. Even though you did not vote for me, your counsel was appreciated. In the next few months, I intend to work on expanding my involvement in other namespaces and try a few different subjects than in the past. - CTSWynekenTalk

[edit] Roses for you

Nice meeting and talking to you. Please have some roses: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/FloNight --Bhadani 07:50, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] rfa

I wanted to stop by and thank you for your constructive criticism of my RFA. It's helped, and is helping, to improve me as a wikipedian and an editor. I look forward to gaining your support in the future. Until then, keep on keepin on. ⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 19:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations!

Hi,

It's a little early, but since I'm stopping by, allow me to be among the first to congratulate you on your well-deserved promotion! I sleep a little better at night each time a thoughtful user gets her/his buttons, so thank you also for my sleep! :)

As for the recent Lcarsdata nomination, I usually find some pride in being a bit of a stickler at RfA -- that's the first time I've given moral support. Besides Trekkers, I could foresee giving moral support to usernames that refer to children's characters, especially Eeyore! :) I'm not becoming a softie, though. ;) Best wishes for loads of wiki-fun, Xoloz 15:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your RfA

The diffs you provided helped clear that up a bit. I'm going to strike my oppose vote based on that. I need to think about whether to shift my vote to neutral or support for now; I need to think about it for a while, and with a paper due in five hours and an unrelated final in seven, I don't really have the time for that until tonight. It's not a personal thing, it's just that I set a high bar for admins because of the considerable power they have, and because I've seen people who look great on their RfAs end up having problems with the office. It seems like you're a really sweet and kind person, and I've actually had occasion to visit some of the pages you've written before today. My vote, whichever it is, will be in by tomorrow. Thanks for taking the time to correct my misunderstanding. Captainktainer * Talk 11:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Captainktainer, I have three children in college taking finals right now, so I certainly understand! Take care, FloNight ^talk 11:23, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Having now thought about it and finished my final (aced it, easiest test in four years), I've decided to move my vote to support. Good luck, although I doubt that you'll need it :-) Captainktainer * Talk 09:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

i'd like to thank you for your message on my talk page im still a little sketchy on the wiki formatting but still continue to read your maessage with fascination, i don't know how to post a random act of kindness star but if i could i would, THANK YOU --Jamie-planetx 00:17, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A landslide victory for The JPS (aka RFA thanks)

Hey, FloNight/archive 3, thank you so much for your vote and comments in my RfA, which passed with an overwhelming consensus of 95/2/2. I was very surprised and flattered that the community has entrusted me with these lovely new toys. I ripped open the box and started playing with them as soon as I got them, and I've already had the pleasure of deleting random nonsense/attacks/copyvios tonight. If I ever do anything wrong, or can help in some way, please feel free to drop me a line on my talk page, and I will do my best to correct my mistake, or whatever... Now, to that bottle of wine waiting for me... The JPS talk to me 22:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations

— Ilyanep (Talk) 02:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations

Congratulations! on becoming an administrator! A 92% success rate; congrats! Oh, and I would bring champagne, but I was low on money. Anyway, enjoy the new tools! :D _-M o P-_ 02:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to the Cabal. --Cyde Weys 02:09, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Congratualtions! I didn't even know you were nominated. I know you'll be a great admin. Cheers, -Will Beback 03:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Congrats. Now don't tear the place to pieces!! --DanielCD 03:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Congrats. You now hold the honor of being the 900th admin on the English Wikipedia. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 06:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations. Here are what pass for words of wisdom from the puppy:

Remember you will always protect the wrong version. Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. You will always pick the wrong one to do. (See #5) Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll. Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block. Remember when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology. and finally, Remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able. KillerChihuahua?!? 13:58, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

DISCLAIMER: This humor does not reflect the official humor of Wikipedia, the Wikimedia Foundation, or Jimbo Wales. All rights released under GFDL.

Congrats! I am happy for you and best of luck for the future! --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 14:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I avoid coming to this page. One of these days there is going to be a big automobile crash here and I don't want to be here when it happens. So congrats on the admin thing :-), gotta go. NoSeptember ^talk 21:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Whoops! Sorry! ;-) Congrats on being number 900. If you have any questions about adminship, ask away! Prodego ^talk 23:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC) Wow...I didn't even notice when I promoted you that I had made you the 900th. Congrats :P. Now I have to try extra hard to promote the 1000th — Ilyanep (Talk) 01:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations, Flo, on a very well-deserved promotion. Use it for the good! ;-) SlimVirgin ^(talk) 03:45, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the support on my RfA!

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A belated thank you to you for Supporting my RFA! It passed 54/2/3, much better than I expected! I am still finding my feet as an Administrator, and so far I am enjoying the experience. I am honoured that you felt I was ready to take up this position, and wish to thank you formally! I hope I can live up to your expectations of me. Once again, thank you! --Darth Deskana (talk page) 19:23, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA

Great idea FloNight - I've accepted on the RfA any limitations the community might consider. <grin> I must admit that I hope they ask me to never block/unblock anyone, or delete/undelete anything, and that I can make that permanent! - Amgine 21:33, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for voting in my RfA, and for your efforts to build a compromise! Sorry it didn't work out, but I'm happy things did develop and to have had the experience. Thanks again! - Amgine 21:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RFA

Hello FloNight/archive 3, and thanks for supporting me on my recent request for adminship! It has succeeded with an unanimous support of 67 votes, so that I am now an administrator. Please feel free to leave a note on my talk page should you wish to leave any comments or ask for any help. Again, thanks a lot, AndyZ t 21:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Hello, FloNight/archive 3, and thank you for vote on my recent RfA! With a final vote of 62/2/4, I have now been entrusted with the mop, bucket and keys. As I acclimate myself to my new tools, feel free to let me know how you believe I might be able to use them to help the project. Thanks again! RadioKirk talk to me 05:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Welcome to the rouge admin cabal :-) You are entitled to display the flag of the rouge admin on your user page, of course. Just zis Guy you know? 13:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats

Hello, and congratulations on you elevation as an administrator. --Bhadani 14:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rape shield law

No problem. Thanks for redoing the links, and also for the stuff about Canada. Unfortunately I don't know much about other countries, but it must exist there too, right? moink 00:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3

Administrator Coaching The Administrator Coaching program is a program aimed at preparing Wikipedians for Adminship or helping them understand the intricacies of Wikipedia better. Recently, changes have been made to the requirements of coachees. Please review them before requesting this service. This would be something like the Welcoming Committee, but for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. Some might like suggestions about how to learn vandal patrol, or mentoring on taking an article to featured status, or guidance with a proposal they plan to make at the Village Pump, for example. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins. Stressbusters The Stressbusters are a subset of Esperanza aiming to investigate the causes of stress. New eyes on the situation are always welcome! Note from the editor As always, MiszaBot handled this delivery. Thank you! Also, congratulations go to Pschemp, Titoxd and Freakofnurture for being elected in the last elections! An Esperanzial May to all of the readership!

The last AC meeting (full log) Posting logs of the Esperanza IRC channel are explicitly banned anywhere. Violation of this rule results in deletion and a ban from the channel. A disclaimer is going to be added to the Esperanza main page. We are humans and, as such, are imperfect. Various revisions have been made to the Code of Conduct. Please see them, as the proposal is ready to be ratified by the community and enacted. All members will members to have to re-confirm their membership after accepting the Code of Conduct. Referendums are to be held on whether terms of AC members should be lengthened and whether we should abolish votes full stop. Admin Coaching reform is agreed upon. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, Pschemp and Freakofnurture 20:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fletcher

Was I correct in assuming that the Lexington Herald-Leader was a sufficiently reputable source? Guettarda 21:33, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's good regional paper. Fletcher is getting ready to give a press conference. This is going to interesting! FloNight ^talk 21:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for voting

[edit] classical liberalism

Hello, Kitteneatkitten is up to his original research again, if you're interested. If not, no problem. I appreciated your input last time. I don't know how to resolve the issue, because he refused to participate in a mediation about it even. The issues are that he's picking out things liberals have said and attributing that as part of the definition of classical liberalism --so he's coming up with his own definition. The other issue is that he's claiming that it's a "libertarian" term, as if it's not a common term in political philosophy and he's even using a Google search listing as a source --he thinks that's a credible source. RJII 06:17, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your question at my RFA

I've now answered your question at my RFA: I had never thought to do it but have done so now. (Cool roundabout, btw!) Bucketsofg✐ 02:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your revert at ANI

Qué? What for? Did you make a mistake? Bishonen | talk 01:40, 19 May 2006 (UTC).

Reply on Bishonen talk. FloNight ^talk 01:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VandalProof 1.2 Now Available

[edit] Thank-you

The count is in, and now I join the crew who wield the mops and pails. Thanks for your support! I pledge to serve both you and Jimbo Wales. If you have anything you need, then please don't think to hesitate. For I am the very model of a grateful admin designate! ♫Bucketsofg✐♪

[edit] Help

Could you help me move things around to their proper place at American System page. I also asked Everyking - I am not an admin and I can't restore what Will Beback has done - to their proper places. I tried diplomacy, even agreeing to a name change and he still does this stuff after that - by completely breaking our agreement. And I thought I was finally going to be able to work on other stuff I would love too...but enough is enough of this treatment and his abusive behavior...I have really no recourse against an abusive admin. --Northmeister 00:46, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You following me around deleting my talk page messages...

Why? Please stop, I haven't done anything wrong. --Xsease 23:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks (Re:Nice to meet you & Re:Your RFA)

Thank you for the notes on my talk page. Thanks for having an easier question than the other 20 or so, though you've apparently seen I've withdrew. ~Linuxerist E/L/T 02:46, 26 May 2006 (UTC)