Talk:Floral Park, New York

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"Frozen Cup" isn't in Floral Park. I removed it from the article. Kthx. Paul 22:23, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Loose Change Crew

I've noticed the section on the "Loose Change Crew" has been coming and going for the past few days. Whoever is deleting this file needs only to check local papers for verification that the section is true. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.123.252.225 (talk • contribs) .

It doesn't belong here. Wikipedia is not an up-to-date news site. --Jtalledo (talk) 23:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I realize that but there are pages on other gangs terrorizing cities and I dont believe that Loose Change is big enough for its own page so I along with many other people believe it should stay, Unless someone has enough information to start a separate page for this type of neighborhood gang. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.123.226.164 (talk • contribs) .

Floral Park isn't a big city and even on pages on big cities that clearly have gangs, like New York City, don't mention anything about them. --Jtalledo (talk) 00:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Someone please explain why a true section on crime is considered vandalism but the previous section on education includes opinionated sentences on lunch ladies. As well as ridiculous and unimportant claims of lunch workers abusing children for not preordubg their meals —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.123.226.164 (talk • contribs) .

It's nonsense and I deleted it. --Jtalledo (talk) 00:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

How can anyone claim anything on wikipedia to be nonsense without doin the proper research. People in Floral Park obviously consider these people a big enough threat to continously add them to the page and then find it deleted later. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.123.252.225 (talk • contribs) .

Again, please refer to articles such as New York City, which don't mention gangs. Heck, even Los Angeles, California doesn't go into specifics about gangs.
Also, that section is uncited. There are only 74 Google hits for the search phrase "Loose Change Crew" and all are in relation to the 9/11 video Loose Change. --Jtalledo (talk) 10:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

It's sad that an online free encylopedia is being goverenred by "google searches." If you are relying on google for all of your information you must lead a very unimformed life. You realize that on google more hits come up for "Tupac lives on Conspiracies" than does Jesus Christ. I am not familar with this "Loose Change" situation but for this site to work, people must be open to ideas. It is clear from this discussion that more people are in favor of leaving the Loose Change article than those opposed. Thank you. -Dr. Anthony Conti —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.123.226.164 (talk • contribs) .

I find it very disturbing that many members of the wikipedia community will not address the ongoing gang issues in Floral Park. These teens are tearing out town apart and due attention must be paid. It is downright disrespectful for the same user to continue to delete this article. If the others supporting this article will reply im sure we can find a way to ensure this article from being protected from these vandals. I personally value wikipedia as a source of information and I hope we can reach some kind of agreement. - Officer Ron McGrovern Floral Park Police —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.123.226.164 (talk • contribs) .

No, what's sad is this: Special:Contributions/69.123.226.164. Quit it. --Jtalledo (talk) 03:39, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The newest article on the LCC is very well written and should stay. Thanks for whoever took their time and did the research. I'll add in citations later so that the article will not be deleted. Does anyone know if there is a way to complain about a single user excessivly delting an article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.123.252.225 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Request for Comment: "Loose Change Crew"

This is a dispute over the addition of content about the "Loose Change Crew." --Jtalledo (talk) 01:18, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

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  • Comment: you really don't need an RfC for this... looks like simple vandalism to me. I'll bring it up on WP:CVU. SB_Johnny | talk 01:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: What, does everybody in Floral Park log in from the same computer at the library? We're not that dumb. There is no mention of the gang in the Floral Park Dispatch archives, thus the information fails verifiability policy, in addition to grammar and spelling errors and unencyclopedic tone. User warned again. --Dhartung | Talk 04:57, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

To whomever says that their is no mention of gangs in the town of Floral Park needs to look no further than the many walls and properties inscribed with the L.C.C logo.The reason ceartin papers such as the Floral Park dispatch dont mention the loose change crew is because they dont want to bring down the image of the community. To correct a error posted by someone before their is most deffidently a mention of crime and in most cases gang activity on most pages on wikipedia such as Los Angeles or Compton.IF THOSE WHO ARE MAKING SUCH A BIG DEAL ABOUT THE MENTIONING OF A THREAT TO A COMMUNITY THEY MOST CEARTINLY DONT LIVE IN THEY SHOULD START BY CLEANING WHAT THEY IGNORANTLY THINK IS WRONG OFF OTHER PAGES BEFORE COMING TO CAUSE PROBLEMS ON A SMALLER FLORAL PARK PAGE. By the way I would appreciate it if a ceartin User:Jtalledo would stop making threats on this page to like instructing other users to immediatly stop or quit it. I as many other parents want wikipedia to not be another internet site that my kids cant use do to violent or angry users. THANK YOU, DAVE SWENSEN —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.195.70.49 (talk • contribs) .

Please note that the previous comment was signed three times, by MIKE OBRIEN, JOHN MYERS, and then DAVE SWENSEN, all by the same IP address. Dave/John/Mike, please note that continued abuse of Wikipedia will lead to your being blocked from editing. We are not kidding. --Dhartung | Talk 20:32, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

THE WNBA IS WHACK —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.195.70.49 (talk • contribs) .

I assume that's a shot at me and my user page at User:Jtalledo. Ah well. --Jtalledo (talk) 20:35, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Guys we we need to remember to stay away from personal attacks. If you want to be taken seriously you can't insult other users projects. Anyway there seems to be a reasonable amount of supPort for the removal of the material, and a fair amounting supporting its remainder. However, it seems as if many of these people are vandals. The serious users need to help stop these people, in order that the addition to the article can be s seriously discussed Fmayer 03:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Fmayer I appreciate you pointing out the topic of personal attacks. What I would like to say is comments like the WNBA IS WHACK IS NOT A SHOT OR ATTACK ON ANYONE RATHER AN OPINION ABOUT A SPORTING ORGANIZATION. People dispruve of sports like soccer and tennis all the time which is a veiw of those people which they are openly allowed to voice and post on free webpages in a free democracy such as the one we live in.Since no specific person was singled out therefore their is no personal attack being commited. For example if someone said that a specific person who is extremely dedicated to the WNBA while at the same time are in no way actually afiliated have no life that would be a personal attack or if someone where to say that a specific person that spends all their time threatining to block someone because of updating a article which encourages people to edit with true facts which did take place about the loose change crews criminal activities is a person with facist or communist beleifs due to their desire to censor the truth which in no way concerns them and deprives Americans of their civil liberties insured by all our births in this great land is another example of what a personal attack sounds like......good thing nobody said that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sanchez710 (talk • contribs).

Yeah, but deleting stuff from a user page is vandalism, which is precisely what you did. --Jtalledo (talk) 19:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Allright so were all in agreement that Loose Change stays.

I would just like to say to a few of the people which continue to delete the VALID POSTS about the L.C.C that honestly you all have no buisness to tell someone on a free site what information as long as it is varifiable can be posted and cant. In the case that you all lived in Floral park maybey you should have a say of what pretains to this communities page but all of you dont....... you dont even live in states that even border N.Y. These recent deletions can be seen as a testament to how people who are granted a little bit of say and have alot of time on their hands exhaust all resources to try to wrongfully usurp that same given right to others who try to exercise their rights just as you people do. To tell you the truth it sickens me.Sanchez710 16:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

You say it is verifiable, then show us how. Maybe then we could put your pet gang in the article. Your obsession with this point is far out of proportion to its importance, and your flouting of Wikipedia rules (e.g. sockpuppets) gains you no friends. This is an encyclopedia, not a "free site" for anyone to add anything they would like, and almost all editorial decisions are by consensus. If you don't understand that and agree to participate accordingly, then you're quite seriously in the wrong place. --Dhartung | Talk 18:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Tell me how to prove it and I shall —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.195.70.49 (talk • contribs) .

A newspaper article would satisfy our requirements. The article may mention gang problems in Floral Park to include a general note, but any reference to the Loose Change Crew would require verification within the article. You may read the policy at Wikipedia:Verifiability. --Dhartung | Talk 03:45, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. All content, particularly content which specifically names individuals, and thus by extension groups of individuals like gangs, has to be verified by at least one cited, reputable, public source. Badbilltucker 15:24, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

you will get your news article68.195.70.49 16:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

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