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Spoilers, spoilers everywhere, and not only within the spoiler tags. If such attention is given to "spoilers" from previous books, then actual spoilers from book6 sound not be included within the second paragraph! --Hersch 20:04, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Loyalty 2 Name 3 Meaning of name 4 Picture 5 Piling it on 6 extreme detail 7 Mrs Weasley's opinion 8 voldememort's prejudice 9 No connection... 10 Lack of physical beauty? 11 External Links 12 External links

[edit] Loyalty

I changed her loyalty status to Harry Potter and Bill Weasley. While she works for Gringotts, I think her being loyal to it isn't really the right term. Neville Longbottom 23:06, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Fleur's last name is Delacour, not Weasley. Although we are all assuming that she will become a Weasley at the beginning of book 7, we have no way of knowing if the wedding will actually happen or if Fleur will change her name after the wedding. 216.108.172.249 03:24, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning of name

"This also appears to be a reference to Fleur's great beauty." I don't think it's really possible/necessary to infer this from what JK Rowling has said. Anyone have any strong feelings about keeping it in?20:41, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

I think it'd be good to have a pic of Fleur as imaged from the book, and one of Clemence poesy in costume (IMO in BB uniform - the one that's there is good). Rather than fanart could anyone put up one of the pictures of Fleur done for the illustrations in GOF books?Amo 20:45, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Er... It's not fanart. It's a part of the GoF movie poster, of Clemence Poesy. Yes, it's obviously digitally edited to fit the poster... But it's not fanart; it's a digitally edited photo/poster from GoF... However, I agree that we should use one from the book. Which one though? The one on the cover of the GoF book [1] or the chapter picture from "An Excess of Phlegm" [2]? 71.99.22.212 14:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, i know - it was from an asian poster, right? What i meant was that we used to (especially before pics of Poesy in costume were released) there was fanart on here. but i don't understand how liscensing and uploading pics works on wikipedia. i mean, i went through the history of this article, but that didn't help. Anyone wtatching this page reckon they could source some fanart/book illustrations which we'd be allowed to use? Amo 15:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Piling it on

"[...] as near as [Mrs. Weasley] can tell, Fleur is nothing but a spoiled, vain, shallow, superficial, self-absorbed, narcissistic snob."

Is this going a little too far? Shallow and superficial, and self-absorbed and narcissistic are synonyms; perhaps we should chose one of each of these pairs? --Hga 02:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I know! i was shocked at that. i was going to come back and change it, perhaps with a quote from the sixth book, so we can hear mrs weasley's own words?Amo 11:56, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Removed. It's happened in other articles too. Some folks just want to be complete, I guess. --Deathphoenix ʕ 12:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] extreme detail

This article is far too detailed and far too long. Such complete articles on the character can be found in places like the HP lexicon. I also think that JSacharuk's most recent edit is rather POV. I'm editing it. Amo 22:07, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mrs Weasley's opinion

Lots of ppl have at various times, listed numerous adjective proporting to describe what mrs W thinks of Fleur. My problem is that i don't belive any of them are supported by the text. Obviously Fleur's various aspects of behaviour deserves plenty of derision. the audience is clearly not asked to see her as a saint, however i still think it's wrong to attribute the view the reader develops to Mrs Weasley. Perhaps a section on her image in general would be better. Amo 19:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] voldememort's prejudice

i think "non-purebloods" is better because it encompasses both wizards who have muggle heritage (eg hermione or tonks) and wizards with non-human heritage (eg Fleur and Flitwick). I agree that it might be sensible to show that Fleur, fitting into both of these categories, could be doubly suseptible to V and his followers, however, commentary on his use of derogatory slang belongs on his own article. Amo 16:37, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No connection...

The article states:

"She may also owe her name to a character in John Galsworthy's perenially popular Forsyte Saga: '"Fine" Fleur Forsyte', the daughter of another main character, is half-French, extremely beautiful and alluring, spirited, arrogant, and possesses a nature both noble and selfish."

Well, um... there may be some sort of cited evidence for this, but it sounds like it's reaaaly reaching. I would imagine that Fleur is not a completely uncommon name; the relationship between the Fleur of of John Galsworthy and Fleur Delacour seems to come from nothing more than the fact that they share a name. As far as the description of the "daughter of another main character", that really could describe any French person, at least from a stereotypical viewpoint.

If this is to be kept, it definitely needs to be better explained - or at the VERY least, cited. Inspector Baynes 09:13, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

As the one who introduced the Fleur Forsyte/Delacour issue:

1. According to the Oxford Minidictionary of First Names, the use of the name 'Fleur' in the English speaking world derives mainly from Galsworthy's character.

2. When I read the Forsyte Saga recently, she struck me as being very similar to Fleur Delacour, in both character and situation. Most obviously, both are vain and spoiled, and like to get their own way; both, however, have ameliorating features (Fleur Forsyte is the only person capable of recognising Soames Forsyte, her father, as having a deeper and more worthy nature than anyone else can see). There is, obviously, the French connection (there is even the fact that Fleur Forsyte is from a respectable and solid English family, but also carrying a more exotic bloodline, a French restauranteur family - which seems very alien to the Forsytes; Fleur Delacour, meanwhile, is from a respectable French family, but with a streak of exotic Veela blood). Both Fleurs try to elope, and the families of the grooms they love try to stop them and to break apart, to the irritation of Fleur - the projected marriage is sharply disapproved of by the family because they feel that the couple are rushing into it (although in the case of Fleur and Jon Forsyte, the greater objections come from the tragedies lying in the past of the family).

There is, at the moment, one crucial difference. Fleur and Bill are, at the moment, getting married with the (grudging) support of the groom's family (we know nothing of the Delacours). Fleur and Jon SPOILER WARNING do not: Soames gives his grudging blessing to the union, but Jon leaves the country instead, to spare his mother (who was formerly married to Soames, and whose second husband - Jons father, with whom she eloped - has just died), leaving Fleur, who is left downhearted, to soon marry another man, whom she has also only met recently. END SPOILER.

Certainly, there are differences, but Fleur Delacour seems to have been built with the author giving more than a passing nod to the Saga's character (if so, why?). And if Mrs Weasley turns out to have had some sort of relationship with Mr Delacour in the past, or if there is some sort of tragic secret, or if the Weasleys and the Delacours turn out to be cousins - well, the only thing needed to make it certain will be a wizard called Forsyte, or Galsworthy (or Soames Delacour). And remember: Fleur and Bill aren't married yet. It may go Forsyte yet. Michaelsanders 15:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Well that may well be (and it is actually a very convincing argument), but is there any evidence that J.K. Rowling actually was influenced by this? The parallels are there, but that doesn't at all mean that it was at all intended - if you're at all trying to find a parallel, you can usually find something, for pretty much any two things. Either way though, the main point is that, unless we can show that J.K. Rowling intended a relationship between the two, we shouldn't put it in the article. Inspector Baynes 06:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lack of physical beauty?

I've never heard anyone argue that. And if some people do say it, I'm not really sure if it's a prominent enough thing for it to be mentioned - people say all kinds of things; that doesn't neccessarily make it a very widespread belief, or even a large minority. 09:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

A lot of people have said it. I think it's notable because that is thought of as such a trademark for the character, although it's interesting to consider whether the Veela really are that beautiful or if it's just magic. I'm surprised that doesn't get brought up more. Amo 14:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

A recent editor has been adding links to a so-called fan-site. I don't have it in me to start and edit war. This kind editor having reverted my edits twice now. If anyone has more time and I, please check out the site and lends your support to its removal. Basically, IMHO, the site in question has little to do with the article in question and more to do with, well, something else. If I'm a lone voice on this subject, then we can consider it done. Rob (Talk) 11:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, i've checked out the site, and allthough it provides a place for fans to interact and be creative it (vitally) does not inform further about the subject in question. On the other hand, the gallery might be of some interest (especially seeing as we don't have any fan art/book artwork in the article - can someone do sth about that btw?) but when i visited it wouldn't open. So basically, i wouldn't oppose the removal of this link either. Amo 15:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links

If her grandfather was full wizard that would make her mother half veela and half wizard and since her father may be full wizard that would make her one eighth veela.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.50.230.104 (talk • contribs).

Right. Fleur's gran is definitely full veela - 'hair of the head of a veela'. Thus, even if the other three grandparents are fully human, Fleur and Gabrielle are 1/4 veela to 3 parts human. And we don't know anything about their parents or grandparents - though we are pretty sure that she isn't full veela (but do we know which parent was the veela's child?). Michaelsanders 16:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)