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Contents 1 Discworld 2 Term "Flatland[er]" in culture 3 movie of the book 4 where is Flatland? 5 Other works? 6 Content? 7 Depth perception 8 Sexism 9 Penname?

[edit] Discworld

Discworld is not at all like Flatland -- no explorations of worlds with more or less than three dimensions, just parodies of various science-fiction and fantasy. Removing. --Crunchy Frog 23:07, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I agree that Discworld has no relevance here, but Pratchett's work is not just parody. Of course Discworld is not a 2-dimensional space - the disc has height, and this is three dimensional.--RLent 17:27, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Term "Flatland[er]" in culture

• There's nothing in the article nor on this talk page about use of "Flatland" or "Flatlander" in other discussions, such as its use as an accusation of narrow thinking. I'll look for sources, and if there's no objection I'll add something, or encourage others to. Barno 18:11, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
  • No relevant hits on Google's first "Flatlander" page, but there's a website listing the "Big Flaming Paper Sack of Dog Poo Award" on the same page as someone using "flatlander" for a Blogspot nickname. Guess I should look at later pages or refine the search. Barno 18:15, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
    • About half the first page of hits googling "Flatlander+thinking" are this usage. I'll add some text and some sourcing, and people can edit it as needed to, um, round it out. Barno 18:20, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• But does this mean (or is it being confused with) 'Flat-Earthers', i.e. people who believe the earth is flat rather than round? Ben Finn 13:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• The term Flatlander when used in terms of narrow thinking has nothing to do with this article, so no mention of it should be used.

There should be some mention - if only a "see also" - for folks who think the term is derived from this book and come here looking for guidance. ... As I noticed, after writing this note, that somebody has already done. That is sufficient, I think. - DavidWBrooks 16:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] movie of the book

Let's wait until the movie exists before we link to it - the world is full of "almost-made" movies that never make it to "made" - although it looks like it could be good. - DavidWBrooks 23:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

No Spoiler warnings? 72.224.120.138

[edit] where is Flatland?

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I seem to remember the sphere telling Square that Flatland was on the surface of a body of water, like a sea. Relevant? Wikiwarlock 19:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• Do you have a cite? Sounds like you're misremembering. Xihr 20:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other works?

Does anybody recall a more recent novel based on a two-dimensional universe? I know it exists and I've read it, but I don't know the title off hand. It was somewhat more technical in approach, but it was most definately inspired by Flatland. 24.57.252.179

Probably The Planiverse by A. K. Dewdney. Xihr 22:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Content?

Lots of nice links to further reading, but I've still no idea what the novella is about. I know that it's of interest to mathematicians, but no clue as to its actual substance. Not very useful. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.144.73.31 (talk) 21:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

Huh? There's a long paragraph that describes the story, and then discussion about the social aspect. What else are you looking for? - DavidWBrooks 23:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Depth perception

Even though flatlanders could only view two dimensional objects in one dimensional cross sections, couldn't they have utilized paralax? It's analogous to us three dimensional beings. We only view the world through two dimensional cross sections (you can never see an entire 3D object all at once without rotating it and going inside of it). Yet, we have depth perception because the closer an object is to the eyes, the more different cross sections that are produced in each eye. It just seems like the "fog" and "feeling" is a messy idea that could have been solved easily. Paralax would have solved the problem of getting impaled by a woman for example, because although a woman might appear pointlike to one eye, she would appear as a line segment in the other eye due to the different viewing angles of each eye.

Sorry- wrong term. It's not called paralax, it's stereopsis, but same principle. 24.187.17.94 05:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sexism

Having only run through some of the book, I'm not sure if this is relevant but: maybe this article should mention the sexism in the book? In part 1, section 3, they refer to the lower class inhabitants as "creatures almost on a level with women in their lack of intelligence". Unless this is some sort of victorian humour that I don't understand, I think it deserves to be at least mentioned here. Slut.i.huvudet 00:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Though the two-dimensional society portrayed in Flatland is undoubtedly sexist, the book itself is not; Abbott was satirizing Victorian attitudes towards women, not condoning them. This, of course, would be a good thing to mention in this article. Adso de Fimnu 04:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Penname?

I was told by my Geometry teacher when we read the book that Abbott used a penname when he originally published it. Is this true? If so, it would be worth mentioning. 71.127.122.7 01:03, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Abbott was a distinguished schoolmaster and theologian. The first edition of the book was released under the pseudonym (or pen name) of "A. Square", which it carries to this day. I do not know which edition added Abbott's name, but preface to the 2nd edition (also 1884) indicates the author remained anonymous. Perhaps it was after he retired in 1889. --Blainster 00:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)