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Contents 1 older entries 2 Merge Flag of portugal 3 Ugly 4 "Mourish" 5 Green 6 Colours - Definite Explanation

[edit] older entries

Given the size of the flag, the detail is abominable. Certainly the castles should be somewhat clearer and the sphere should be more spherical. --Brooklyn Nellie 06:01, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Flag of portugal

Contents of this new page which duplicates this page should be merged here and Flag of portugal redirected. Dunc_Harris|☺ 14:33, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Ugly

Deleted: «The flag is also considered a bit ugly by most people.» For being irrelevant. We should not classify symbols as beutifull or not. And yes... I'm portuguese.--Nabla 17:11, 2004 Aug 4 (UTC)

• I consider it ugly. The shield is beautiful. Angola also has an ugly flag, and it will change to a more African style of flag (it is very beautiful). We also should change to a more Portuguese flag! I think the monarchy flags are way much more beautiful and way more in the style of the Portuguese culture. But honestly, I think only in 2004 people start really adopting the current flag. Now changing it will be difficult. Doesnt the red means republic? Many people say is the blood of the french when they took the bastille. this articles seems biased and unfactual:
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that thing of the empire (sunset etc, I've never heard in life) -though it seems a nice theory. About the Iberian theory that seems a nice way to change people's mind to adopt another flag. I prefer a white background with the shield.

why this article is slightly biased: [[1]]

evolution of the flag, shield and sphere: [[2]]

we should readopt a version from these flags: [3] [4] so many centuries evolving to end with green and red. And yes... I'm from the Kingdom of Northern Lusitania and we, the Condoms Northern Lusitanians, don't accept a red and green flag. We want a referendum and choose a new flag!!!-Pedro 21:33, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

condoms? Nelson Ricardo 04:57, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

• • I was kidding! -Pedro 08:08, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

The article is not biased. It was me who included the Iberic Federalism mention, as José Hermano Saraiva puts it in his História Recente de Portugal and many other history scholars argue. Once again, the article states that it is just "speculated" that the red/green scheme was based on such ideals, although highly probable. --MiguelFC 2 July 2005 15:44 (UTC)

• Maybe that's a good reason for changing the flag, and to remove that red! red has anything to do with Portugal. Although I continue believeing it is biased, and more with your answer. BTW José Hermano Saraiva is just widely known but is not exactly the most neutral historian known in Portugal. Ask any history student. -Pedro 2 July 2005 23:30 (UTC)

[edit] "Mourish"

Is that how it's actually spelled? Thanx 68.39.174.150 23:52, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• nope. it should be Moorish.-Pedro 00:35, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Green

I thought Green meant hope. And yes, I'm Portuguese, never heard about it being about the woods...

[edit] Colours - Definite Explanation

When I first wrote the original article, I had mentioned that the colours of the flag - green and red - had strong masonic association, mainly with the Carbonari. This explanation was, however, relegated to the second plan, and the Estado Novo interpretation (blood + hope) was given priority.

The fact is that in spite of our political beliefs or what we want to show to foreign people, Wikipedia should be a primarily objective and neutral information source. Few historians and vexillologists have doubts about the connection of the flag's current colours to the Carbonari and Freemasons, and their Iberic Federalist ideals. In fact, red and green were the colours of St. John, the patron saint of the Carbonari. These two colours were widely used by the Carbonari during the late 19th century uprising against the monarchy, and eventually became themselves the colours of Portuguese Republicanism.

--MiguelFC 01:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)