Talk:Flag of Montenegro
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Is there an article on the Petrovic family? Or Nikola? I don;t know the right spellings to look under.... FZ 17:20, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Just a placeholder for an image until there's text in the article about it. Nikola 09:48, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- I'm just moving this to the article now. — OwenBlacker 11:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Gold fringe
The article says that the flag is not usually garnised with a gold border, BBC News' pictures of the recent referrendum display gold-bordered Montenegrin flags exclusively. Should the paragraph be amended? Erath 16:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- The author of that statement must have been misinformed. Section II Article 5 of the Law on State Symbols and Statehood Day specifies that the flag must have a golden border. I've taken out that sentence. 21:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The lion
The part about the lion passant on montenegrin coat of arms/flag being of venetian origin is false. Venetian lion of St Mark's can be easily identified, as it has wings. Montenegrin lion has a completely separate history and symbolism, as it is explained here: [[1]] . Some coastal parts of Montenegro were indeed a part of La Serenissima, not only nor chiefly Perast, but this never afected the flag nor the coat of arms of Montenegro proper.
[edit] Point
As seen here, the Red-Blue-White flag was banned trice (in 1917 and in 1941) because it was classified as the Serbian national flag, and it was said that the old (present) flag has to be used. --HolyRomanEmperor 11:09, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
As I've explained elsewhere, njegos.org is widely regarded as disreputable site. However, info on the page you mention has been obviously misinterpreted: some considered there was a heraldic/vexilological conflict between the standard of Montenegro and that of Serbia. These concerns were unfounded, as any symbol added to a flag, however similar to the flag of another nation, makes it unique by the standards of vexilology. For examples on this, please see the similarity between The flag of Mexico and The flag of Italy. It was therefore, NOT a Serbian national flag, but Montenegrin. However, this similarity was misused by Serbian nationalist in order to prove the false claim of Montenegrins being not just akin, but a part of the wider Serbian nation.
Montenegrin flag also had a different ratio to that of Serbia, which is important in vexilology. National symbols, their differences and meanings are much more subtle and complex than most people presume. --HercegOX 14:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Slavic - Serbian?
How can it be a symbol of Slavic Unity - when only Serbs had that flag??? --HolyRomanEmperor 11:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Simple. Tricolour flag of any combinations of colours red, blue and white has been considered a symbol of Slavic unity in general and widely used by states and the Panslavic movement. As for the combination of horizontal red blue and white stripes, not only Serbs, but Montenegrins also used that combination. If this is confusing and tempts you into believing this means these flags were identical, note the similarity between Flag of Slovenia and Flag of Russia - different ratio and tone of colour as well, strikingly similar to the pair Montenegro-Serbia. Although they have the exact same combination, this doesn't mean Slovenians are the same as Russians, nor that they use the same national symbol, as the slovenian flag has a distinctive feature, which is considered by science to be enough to make it distinct. The same as the difference between Montenegrin tricolour (which always had the Coat of Arms of Montenegro on it) and Serbian, which was used both with and without the coat of arms even today.
Please note that red, blue and white tricolour flag is not exclusive to Slavs. It is used by France, the Netherlands etc. The french tricolour flag replaced the royalist white during the French revolution, as those were initially the coulours of the city of Paris. --HercegOX 14:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Royal standard
The Montenegro page claims that the current flag was previously the royal standard in the Kingdom of Montenegro. Anyone care to verify this?
