Talk:Flag of England
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"Features"? That would apply to a flag that was quartered with it too, or one that bore marks of cadency etc. the description probably needs more. PML.
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[edit] Proportions
The Cross has proportions of 3:5
Isn't this meant to be "The flag has proportions of 3:5"?
(Although I believe there may not, in fact, be any "official" proportions, the flag as it currently displays on this page appears to have proportions of 1:2, which looks wrong.)
As for the width of the arms of the cross, I believe this should be 1/5th of the height of the flag. -- Picapica 12:32, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
[edit] United Kingdom
England is not a "region" of the United Kingdom. The UK is a State. England is a country and a nation. Philip Baird Shearer 18:24, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Genoa
This mildly incomprehensible snippet was added:
- The Saint George flag, a red cross on white fund, was adopted by England and the Town of London in 1190 for the direct English ships toward the Mediterranean one so that they could be protected by the Genoese fleet. For this privilege, the English monarch was paying an annual tax to the Genova Doge
Thank god at least someone knows where it came from.
Could we see a source, please? - Montréalais 18:26, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Sun Campaign
I don't think that a recent opportunistic campaign by the Sun newspaper should form one of the four things an encyclopedia says about the 800 years of history of the English flag.
I also found it fascinating that said newspaper sought to suggest that people display the flag not for some good, positive reason but rather because to do so might have the advantage of upsetting someone ("PC brigade", foreigners, asylum seekers etc.).
Moreover, they speak out against the 'silliness' of claims that flags pose a health and safety risk and the prohibition by Age Concern of people taking home-made cakes to day centres, saying they infringe our liberty. At the same time they are at the front of the queue in calling for State suppression of individual freedom through the National Identity Register. --Ross UK 22:34, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I've deleted it due to the use of swearing. Only the far right are trying to question ethnic minorities patriotism. Sure some might fail the cricket test, but i think most are embarrassed by these sort of stories.195.93.21.1 20:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Three Lions
Shouldn't there be mention of the Three Lions flag. Whilst this is not the official flag of England, my understanding is that was once (albiet for a short time), and later was incorporated as a symbol of England via the Coat of arms of England. I think it should have a mention, though I'm no expert in the field and may be mistaken. Jhamez84 15:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- When was this an official flag?83.67.75.213 09:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I'm unsure, as I'm not a historian. But as I say I believe it was the middle ages, specifically either during or following the reign of Richard I of England. I'm hoping someone familiar with the issue can confirm/elaborate as to if this is the case or not. Jhamez84 17:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] White Dragon Flag
As discussed at length on the England page, it should probably be noted somewhere on this page that the predecessor to this flag was probably the Anglo-Saxon 'white dragon' flag, phased out after the Norman Conquest.White43 19:26, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- Metnions of this flad have been removed per Talk:England. The flad does not hold enough significance (historic, modern or otherwise), nor is it verifiable as it's reference was not a reliable source. The website cited does not cite it's sources and was largely ethnocentric original research. Jhamez84 21:09, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge St George's Cross with Flag of England
It seems that these cover almost identical subject matter, and may be accidental duplicates. I suspect newcomers get confused as to where to add new material. As neither article cites its references or sources, a merge would be an opportunity to put all the improvement effort in one place. Non-English uses of the flag, such as in the Royal Navy, ought to be fully covered, whatever the title of the merged article. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 19:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
yay
- Since the Flag of England is called the St George cross it'd make sence. Merge them together and create a one long article about the history and myths of the St George. Including it's decline after 1707.
R johnson 12:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I suggest the opposite, to merge the "Flag of England" with the St George's cross article and give it that name "St George's cross". Since there were other institutions that used that cross for symbol (like Lombardy at some point). And although often associated to England this is not exactly an "English flag" copyright. Matthieu 13:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with Matthieu - the St. George's Cross is not the flag of England, but the flag of England is the St. George's Cross. The article on SGC needs to be expanded more to cover the non-English usage to justify its own status. Then, the Flag of England article should be revised so it is about the various flags that are used to represent the English, and of course primarily that being the St. George's Cross with appropriate section and wikilink to the appropriate artcle — superbfc [ talk | cont ] — 20:43, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I believe the following:
1) The Flag of England deserves a page devoted uniquely to itself.
2) Merging The Flag of England (FoE) with The St. George's Cross would not be satisfactory whatever the page was called, either the Flag of England would not have its own page (like the article for Duck being found as a subsection of the Bird article), or people looking for information on The St. George's Cross would find it in The Flag of England page (like the article for Bird being found in the article for Duck).
The only way out of this seems to have a disambiguation page where people who look up the St. George's Cross are presented with a choice between the two articles. The material in the St. George's Cross that relates to the FoE is therefore reduced, with an accompanying link to the FoE artcile. I personally ended up on the St. George's Cross page when I really wanted to be on the FoE page :-) Gantlord 23:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Also, the St George's cross comes in forms not related to a flag (like an actual cross), and has a history outside the history of England. I vote we drop the notion of merging them. edwardfortune 23:20, 20 Feb 07 GMT
I've removed this suggestion. The St George's cross serves various purposes and each place should have a flag article, whether or not it happens to share its flag. Haddiscoe 13:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Flag_of_England_(bordered).svg —vs— Image:Flag_of_England.svg
Hi - I've been trying to go through various articles and (mainly) templates to see if Image:Flag_of_England_(bordered).svg should replace Image:Flag_of_England.svg - it's very time-consuming as I don't have any special software like popups or know how to program a bot. If anyone does, please could you give me a hand - thanks!! — superbfc [ talk | cont ] — 01:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Flag of England <> St George's Cross
St George's Cross is a model of cross, and not a flag. The St George's Cross is present also in other flags. I think the two pages mustn't be merged.—the preceding comment is by 84.222.1.86 (talk • contribs) : Please sign your posts!.
