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Contents 1 Messages here 2 hey 3 Amusing? 4 Pissing Off Annoying Creationists 5 Archie copyright problems: 6 journal articles 7 Welcome ;) 8 Mayr et al 2007 9 RFA Thanks 10 Congrats! 11 Adminship 12 Requests 13 Pantydraco as impending vandal magnet 14 Titanic achievements 15 recently unprotected articles 16 'tsalright... 17 Thank you 18 Not the first time: 19 Dinosaur - bullet lists 20 Prenocephale 21 Request for an admin-type action 22 KAMR-TV (again) 23 Dinosaur - bullet points 24 Project page comments

[edit] Messages here

[edit] hey

Hey, thanks for fixing up Arwala a bit. I appreciate the effort. Often I make stubs of little known places that I read about in the economist. I'm just curious, how exactly did you stumble across Arwala, it's pretty obscure. TotallyTempo 06:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Amusing?

Just checked my edit count randomly & found I was at 7777 edits - just thought you might find that vaguely amusing... Archie FAC seems to be going well - hopefully you'll be able to support soon; that section Sabine's whipping up looks great! Well I've got some new articles to created. It's a shame they're not about dinosaurs as I'd plaster them all over the project talk for everyone to see - I'm so proud. :) Gosh, I sound like a five year old. Anyway, see you around... Spawn Man 07:30, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pissing Off Annoying Creationists

I guess we could combine the wikiproject birds and dinos as wikiproject dinos (ancient and modern), hee hee hee. cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 07:54, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I think we have a spammer on our hands - take him away... ;) Spawn Man 08:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Archie copyright problems:

No need to panic my friend - I've given an explaination of the situation & a simple bit about the law regarding the reproduction of work in museums. Hence why you can't take pictures of oil paintings, but you can of the museum's own sculptures... Grrr! If you had told me the article wasn't ready for your support, I wouldn't have nom'd. One less vote & the FAC has very little feedback so far.... Ah well... Spawn Man 04:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

ah ha! see I knew I was right about the copyright! And you doubted me... ;) Anyway, I just realized that out of the 12 FAs (including Archie) the Dino team have, I've done 5! Not to be big headed, but I just thought it was amasing because I'm not even a professional paleonotologist nor do I have nay training in science at all... And I've only seen a dinosaur skeleton once. I'm so happy! :) Thanks for helping me along the way though. I couldn't have done it without you or the team... :) Spawn Man 00:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

No dinosurs in NZ?! We have a leading paleontologist in the south island!! We don't have many, but we have a few. Mainly sauropods & herbivores I think though. Um, a dinosaur exhibition came to the Wellington Mueseum, & had Yanchuangnosaurus & a few sauropods. Other than that, I've only seen a giant sloth skeleton & that's about it in regards to my dinosaur viewing experiences. I doubt Archie should have too many opposes. Lately I've noticed a decline in the contributors to the FAC process & more to the RfA process. Anyway, we'll get it through easily & thansk for finally supporting... :) Spawn Man 01:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] journal articles

I have access to electronic journals (yay university), are there specific ones you need? No promises, my uni doesn't have a subscription to every journal, but I can try. Sabine's Sunbird talk 03:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I have the first two you want. What addy do you want them sent to? Sabine's Sunbird talk 03:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome ;)

Thank you for welcoming me, but as you can see I'm not such a newbe on Wikipedia - I've made about 5200 edits on pl.wiki and about 300 on en.wiki ;) Nevertheless, it's always nice to find out that someone finally found my talk page and put there a proper template. Regards, Galileo01 19:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mayr et al 2007

Sure, send it along when you've got a few minutes. Thank you! J. Spencer 14:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RFA Thanks

Thanks for your support on my Request for adminship, which was successful, with votes of 49/0/0. Lemme know if you need help on something I might know a little something about....(check my userpage).
cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 14:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats!

Congrats on reaching 30000 edits. This is such a big milestone. OhanaUnited 19:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

Hi Firs, thanks for asking, but no, I do not wish to become an admin yet. Too much work, I think, and I do not feel knowledgeable enough about all the intricacies of wiki policy. Besides, I am still a "newbie" having started editing on August 2006 with just a bit over 3000 edits (you have 10 times more). Cheers. ArthurWeasley 20:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, my 3000 edits more helpful than your 30000? You are much too modest. With Spawn, Cas, Dinoguy and JSpencer, you form the backbone of the Dinosaur Wikiproject, which has become within a year or two, one of the most comprehensive source on dinosaurs available on the web. That's some kind of an achievement! Cheers. ArthurWeasley 22:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requests

Hi there! As you may know I'm working on an exciting new developement for the Dino project & thoguht I'd enlist your help for a small/medium task. I desperately need some stuff done that is summarised in the next few points -

1) I need any dino articles which need serious cleaning up or have any clean up templates on them already (IE - Articles related to dinos that need wikifying, POV reviewing & cleaning up etc etc)

2) I need redlinks. (IE - Dino related links that need creating - Please keep this short as we could end up with a huge list if we wanted to...)

3) Would you be able to quickly make the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Dinosaurs/formations page into an actual article list such as List of dinosaur-bearing Formations or something like it? All you'd need to do is copy what's there to the article.

4) Really good dino-related images...

This is all a surprise so try not to go around my edit contribs to find out. You'll see soon enough if this stuff can be finished... Thanks, Spawn Man 03:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Geez! I didn't say dump the whole dinosaur list on me lol! grrr... now I have to go through & find the bad ones... *Sigh*... :) Spawn Man 04:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I was only joking lol! But if you could give me a list of the absolute worst dino articles & the ones you mentioned that were too technical, that would help a lot. Also, any articles needing pictures. I should have mentioned that I only want about 10 or so at a time - we can always add more later... Thanks, Spawn Man 04:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pantydraco as impending vandal magnet

Yeah, I was hoping somebody else would write it. It vaults over such luminaries as Erectopus and Gasosaurus to join Homo erectus at the top of the Paleontological Double-Entrende Hall of Fame. J. Spencer 04:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I do what I can. :) J. Spencer 04:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't much; stub changing is pretty quick, and all I did was go to the Reptile Stub page and pick out the paleo reptiles for alteration. J. Spencer 02:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Titanic achievements

Np. Since you've made admin since the last time we interacted, you could even merge titanosaur and Titanosauridae(redirect bypass) if you feel the urge to clean up that old messy cut & paste move ;). | Pat 13:45, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] recently unprotected articles

In an attempt to keep this the encyclopedia everyone can edit, I've recently unprotected several high-profile articles. Could you help me monitor them for vandalism?

• Iraq (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
• England (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
• Anime (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
• Ayn Rand (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
• Buddhism (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
• Baibars (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
• Amish (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
• Bill Cosby (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
• History of Croatia (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
• Europe (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Thanks very much. I imagine a few of these might need re-protection, but let's see if we can stop that from happening. :) --Fang Aili ^talk 18:41, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

You can use this recent changes link, which links to User:Fang_Aili/sandbox2, a list of pages I have recently unprotected. Thanks again, Fang Aili ^talk 19:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. So far it looks like the vandalism is under control. Moon has been reprotected, but I think that's the only casulty so far. --Fang Aili ^talk 18:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all the reverts lately. Looks like several articles have been re-protected, and maybe we all just have to accept that some articles will always either be heavily vandalized or semi-protected (or both). Le sigh. --Fang Aili ^talk 19:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 'tsalright...

I'm planning on getting through "a" tonight - but seriously, I'm beginning to question reality as you do when a mind numbing repettitive task arrises on here... Ahh well... at least I got Archie featured, of which hardly anyone has congratulated me for... *hint hint* ;) See you around... Thanks for the offer though, but this many edits towards my name is an oppurtunity I can't pass up... :) Thanks, Spawn Man 09:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

You don't haaave to, but you never can have enough.. I was planning on getting one for each FA I got, but you don't have to... How about giving me one once I've finished this portal template placement? Gives me something to keep going for... :) (Sorry if this message seems a bit wierd - brain fried lol...) Spawn Man 09:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I' sure Il rember tha t one after the 1000's ogf dinos betwen that & this one loll... Just dont touch any more lol, I'm going for a recordf... Spawn Man 09:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I give up lol! the 'a's have been done, but they've defeated me... no more no more!!! I'm completely mad, my arm's gone numb & I'm so tired, so very tired.... Please, take this curse away from me... I got about 100-200 edits anyway - that's enough. Don't want everyone thinking all I do is WikiGnome work eh? Thanks, :) Spawn Man 10:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you, and I love the timing :). More seriously, I'm really impressed how much the general coverage of dinosaurs has improved in my absence. That's a lot of work by a lot of people. | Pat 19:39, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you again. I've cleaned up all the redirects, of course. | Pat 00:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not the first time:

I'm informing you of my intentions ([1]). This is not the first time this has happened to me at a Dino FAC, probably because you all think I'm going to let a 90% article go through. I know how to write FAs & how to vote on them. For some reason you al think that my oppsoe is inactionable. Have you even read Wikipedia:The perfect article? "...is nearly self-contained; it includes essential information and terminology, and is comprehensible by itself, without requiring significant reading of other articles..." You have to admit, the article contains way too many links to other articles, which is completely different to what this page says. "is comprehensible by itself, without requiring significant reading of other articles" is what I'm opposing for. And I'm rueful that people I thought were my friends are attacking me & saying I'm wrong simply because they don't know a simple guideline of FAC. Gees.. Spawn Man 03:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dinosaur - bullet lists

Firsfron of Ronchester, your response at [2] does not resolve the problem. The whole of my edit of dinosaur was reverted in one piece, not just the parts that contained bullet lists. I see no justification for that and can only attribute it to laziness or carelessness on the part of the person responsible. WP:MOS#Bulleted_lists says "Do not use bullets if the passage reads easily using plain paragraphs or indented paragraphs," i.e. there is no categorical ban on the use of lists. As I pointed out in [3], my use of bullet lists conformed to the guidance and examples given in Wikipedia:Embedded_lists. If the FAC reviewers do not follow published guidelines, Wikipedia has an internal problem which needs to be resolved either by changing the published guidelines or by instructing the FAC reviewers to follow them. If this is not done, other contributors will find their contributions being removed arbitrarily and will stop contributing.Philcha 10:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prenocephale

Thanks for fixing Prenocephale for me, I've no idea why most of what I wrote never appeared. I greatly appreciate it. Nubula 14:13, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining where I'd gone wrong. Best wishes, Nubula 14:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for an admin-type action

Hey there; I have a request that would need the use of admin abilities. I saw that Extinct animals in popular culture had been deleted, and I was wondering if you could copy the contents of that page to a J. Spencer user page so I could see if there was anything worth reintroducing to articles. Thanks! J. Spencer 16:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm not expecting much to be useful, as it was really falling into the "there was an x glimpsed for five seconds" category of article. J. Spencer 19:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] KAMR-TV (again)

Hey, FoF... the KAMR-TV article is still being reverted back to the addition of the station's producing staff... at least 2 or 3 times since the topic was brought up the last time. I think what annoys me more at this point is that there's not a willingness to discuss the matter -- the pages are simply being reverted without talking about it anywhere. I don't think the lists belong there (as per policy), but I'm willing to listen -- the problem is, nobody there is willing to talk. What can be done now? Amnewsboy 07:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dinosaur - bullet points

Firsfron of Ronchester, you said, "I personally don't like submitting articles to FAC at all, as I feel the process is often arbitrary, with FAC reviewers ignoring guidelines or applying their own personal interpretations to guidelines which are only meant to be guidelines." Need I say more?Philcha 12:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Project page comments

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Danny is not a talk page, and the comment could easily confuse participants by pointing to a spurious guideline. Of the people who have looked at the comment, you and the author clearly believe that it belongs there, while I clearly don't. Given that, I'm not going to revert your revert, but I do hope that this pointing to spurious guidelines in RfAs does not become a fad. Jkelly 21:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Let me put it this way... if I paste "B'crats, please ignore any votes that do not adhere to Wikipedia:Neutral point of view" on top of someone's requests for adminship, would you really argue that this suddenly becomes immune to the normal wiki process because I signed it? What if I put it into a pastel box and transcluded it into the RfA template? Would that be irreversible if I signed it? You seem to want things to either be okay or not okay, but writing and following rules is much less important than using good judgement, and common sense. In short, yes I absolutely am saying that there are times when people's signed comments should be removed, and we will never compile an exhaustive list of those times, and, further, it is not worth bothering to try to do such a thing. It is important for users to respect consensus, and of the three people who apparantly have any interest in this, I'm in the minority. Jkelly 22:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Jkelly here: you placed your "comment" up at the top as part of the process data/instructions, and you wrote it as though it were an official instruction rather than a mere opinion. Although I doubt anyone of consequence would have been mislead by your actions, the action was inappropriate and it gave your comment an undeserved level of prominence. I hope that you will reconsider the placement of your comment and move it to the talkpage and I and others are not forced to do it for you. Cheers. --Gmaxwell 00:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Huh? Can you explain what you're talking about? I didn't place any of my comments anywhere. Firsfron of Ronchester 00:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah indeed, I saw your revert but missed that you weren't the original author a few edits before. The point still remains, since you restored the text you have taken responsibility for its continued existence in the page. --Gmaxwell 00:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

HUH? Gmaxwell, what are you talking about?!?! There isn't one bit of your message that makes any sense. The comments were not made by me, there were not placed at the top, and I certainly did not write it as though it were an instruction. Please clarify to me which diff you're even talking about. Firsfron of Ronchester 00:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I am confused that you are confused. This is the diff. The 'comment' you restored was left in the section normally reserved for the nominee to write comments about the RFA, it's not a comment in the mainline RFA (which generally get moved to the talkpage in anycase, especially comments about the process like this one). --Gmaxwell 00:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)