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Contents 1 Unang Republika Pilipina 2 Pictures of the Malolos Congress 3 Superfluous Ranks 4 Help on history 5 Capitals

[edit] Unang Republika Pilipina

If I remember seeing the five-peso bill correctly, the text there (in Tagalog) refers to the First Philippine Republic as Unang Republika Pilipina, which I put up in the article, but was later reverted. Just wanting to check now if I can change it back. --Sky Harbor 19:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't have an old 5-peso bill with me but you're probably correct. However, Unang Republika Pilipina sounds Spangalog (Spanish-Tagalog) for Primera Republica Filipina. I think Unang Republika ng Pilipinas is more grammatically correct. --Pula Bughaw 15:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

There's a picture of one in the Philippine peso bills article, but this was the text in the plaque issued by the National Historical Committee according to the five-peso bill (I have one myself):

REPUBLIKA PILIPINA, 1898-1901

Sa kumbentong ito itinatag ang Presidensiya ng Unang Republika Pilipina na pinanguluhan ni Kgg. Emilio Aguinaldo y Famy at dito'y nanatili mula noong ika-10 ng Setyembre 1898 hanggang ika-29 ng Marso 1899.

It seems that the name could well become (sort of) a contention, although yes, Unang Republika ng Pilipinas is more gramatically correct. --Sky Harbor 14:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I just stumbled on this page; as regards the Unang Republika Pilipina, it might actually be grammatically correct back then as the Tagalog dialect probably didn't have any word for "Republic." Unang Republika ng Pilipinas is more grammatically correct as regards the Filipino language. I myself prefer the original Tagalog. --SunKing 14:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures of the Malolos Congress

Hi! I have some reference material on the First Philippine Republic and the cast of characters. I just have to type it up and post it. Maybe this weekend. Pictures will be a little harder to come by though. I do know that the picture of the Malolos Congress that's posted is NOT the only picture of the event. I think I can get hold of a picture of Aguinaldo as he was arriving at the churchyard. --Pula Bughaw 15:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Good idea! You may remove the only picture that is in existence description if you can get a hold of more pictures. And maybe you can help on the other to-do's. -- Emir214 07:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Superfluous Ranks

Howard, I don't think we need to specify Gen. Trias was a general in his cabinet listing. As in the case of Aguinaldo, the rank of general is subordinate to that of his civilian position. For example, Baldomero Aguinaldo was also a general and in later cabinets, Basilio Valdes was a general and in the Quezon and Osmena war cabinets, but the generaliship is not relevant to the civilian office. Gareon 07:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Notice that I merely removed the "Gen." out of the [[ and ]] which made Mariano Trias red-linked. --Howard the Duck 09:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help on history

The infobox development is complete. Instead, you may help on the "History" section. - Emir214 08:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Capitals

Can somebody add the dates on the capitals. It will be assumed that all 4 were capitals at the same time. There had to be more historical capitals, like little towns when Aguinaldo's government was retreating. Also update those found at List of historical national capitals. --Howard the Duck 09:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Howard, I don't know if "General Aguinaldo slept here" makes a place a capital. It seems from what the books say that the government would have had to "officially" settle in a place to make that the provisional capital of the country.Gareon 12:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

While attending a quiz bee at UP, there was question on national capitals, and it had several unnotable towns (I remembered it was on Pangasinan). As long as Aguinaldo that the <place> was the capital city of the First Republic, that'll be enough proof. --Howard the Duck 13:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I consulted some sources. "1900-2000: The Philippine Century" by the Philippines Free Press has a chronology of the American conquest of the Philippines and a separate chronology of the defeat of the First Republic. Together with Agoncillo's "Malolos: Crisis of the Republic," where I've listed where Aguinaldo at least spent the night and didn't list places where he only rested for a few hours or not overnight. So here's a list of some places General Aguinaldo went:

March 29, 1899 Government evacuates Malolos and moves to San Isidro
May 9, 1899 San Jose, Nueva Ecija then to Cabanatuan, Nueva Ecija "then stayed for a while until it was forced to move to:
?, 1899 Bamban, Tarlac
? 1899 capital moved to San Fernando, Pampanga (but San Fernando was captured by the Americans on May 5, 1899; Agoncillo writes (p. 476, "the Filipino government had to change capital as the military situation demanded")
June 12, 1899 first anniversary of the Republic celebrated in Angeles City, Pampanga ( see http://www.geocities.com/balen_net/)
October 19, 1899 by this date, "Aguinaldo had transferred the capital of the Republic from Tarlac to Bayombong, Nueva Vizcaya"
November 13, 1899 Aguinaldo still at Bayombong (held a council of war)
November 14, 1899 Santa Barbara (Calasiao)
November 15, 1899 Manaoag
November 16 Pozorrubio
then escape through Rosario, then Famy, then Tubao
November 19, 1899 Naguilian
November 23, 1899 Tirad Pass
November 30, 1899 Angaki
December 2, 1899 Cervantes (Aguinaldo receives news of del Pilar's death at Tirad Pass)
December 3, 1899 Cayan settlement
December 4, 1899 Bontoc
December 7, 1899 Banane settlement
December 9, 1899 Talubin
December 25, 1899 Banane (after leaving womenfolk to be captured at Talubin, returns to Banane)
January ? 1900 Escaris, Isabela
February 1, 1900 still at Escaris (or Oscaris), Isabela
March 17, 1900 "Libuagan camp"
May 22, 1900 in Cagayan (again)
August 27, 1900 "leaves Tierra Virgen" for Palanan, Isabela
September 5, 1900 Dumasari
September 6, 1900 Arrives at Palanan, Isabela {"first Christian town they had entered since November 1899")
March 23, 1901 Aguinaldo captured at Palanan, Isabela

So this, at least, is our preliminary list of capitals for the First Republic. Gareon 16:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

That sure is a lot of capitals. --Howard the Duck 15:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing the above! I hadn't learned about the use of the colon yet. It is plenty of capitals, indeed. And also, makes your list of Commonwealth capitals long, too. Gareon 15:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)