Talk:Firearm action

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Here is an idea for a topic, The actions that made firearms history.

There are a lot of very talented people out there that know a LOT about firearms history and the actions that made them. I think we should strive to spreed that wisdom as far and wide as we can while the people are still with us. If not, that wisdom will be lost forever.

I am trying to make that happen. I want to learn all I can about the best of the old actions and pass that along to my kids and there kids and so on.

To that end, I am in the Gun smithing school at TSJC here in Colorado. I am doing a term paper on falling block actions in my gun smithing class. I need to assess the needs and select two different steels for the building of a modern falling block action.

What heat treatment? include specific techniques for tempered hardness 25c, 35c and 45c.

Techniques for hardening and tempering.

list two different types of steel.

Sumerise the qualities you need in the action and how you are going to get them. What will be the criteria for selection.

These are common questions asked by every gun maker for every gun that is made. I hope it will not be hard to find this info.

After I am out of school, it is my desire to reproduce the old actions and keep them a vital part of firearm in the world. There are a lot of the old masters still around. we need to compile there wealth of wisdom and keep it a part of firearms for ever.

As Henry did in that 19th century, we can look at ALL actions out there and put the best parts of them into one and there by keep looking for that perfect action. Keep it simple, make it smooth, and make it LAST forever. There is not one action that can now be improved on. What do you think, is this worth looking into?

Ron Julian fidel@webcoast2coast.net

This is a worthy idea and it is commendable that you took the initiative in this matter. I make suggestions with unvarnished honesty but I lack the technical expertise to contribute much of interest to this article. Maybe I will work up some courage later. For now however,I will, make some editorial suggestions.

First, the title of the article itself might need to be changed since the emphasis is on types of firearm actions of special historical importance rather than all firearm actions generally. But, on that point, are you speaking of actions that "made history" through their widespread or otherwise signficant usage or are you also concerned with obscure designs which are essential to firearms development?

Second, some useful diagrams or pictures would be in order. You could make at least some of these pictures yourself by taking a trip to the gun range. If you explain why you would like an image of someone else's gun and make sure their identity and the serial number of the gun do not appear in the picture then you should get plenty of cooperation. For the older actions, you might need to find some war reenactors would probably be very glad to have their name in the picture caption as the gun's owner and would be very glad to provide you all sorts of information (just be sure to check it against other sources).

    You could always find good pictures on-line and write the copyright holder so that you have permission to use them.  Again, in many cases that is all you will need to do.

Third, I would round out the descriptions of the different actions a bit more especially in terms of describing their historical significance. You do not want this article to remain a laundry list of entries since this is an encyclopedia not a dictionary.

Just make sure that you get your information honestly and that if you borrow someone's words you quote them and cite them and that if you borrow someone's idea that you cite them. If you do that, not only will your article have a higher degree of credibility commensurate with the attention it has already recieved(since already it shows up pretty high on a Google search) but what is more, your readers will know where to get more detailed information should they be curious about some aspect of your topic.

Again, however, you deserve full credit for taking on such a broad topic. It is easy to lose sight of the fact that without someone getting a topic started there would be little for anyone to criticize (and thereby improve).

[edit] rollar delayed blowback

the CZ52 was not a rollor delayed blowback gun. It was a recoil operated gun. also, the mg42 was recoil operated, the barrel moves, The HK guns barrels remain stationary