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[edit] Fire Nation Festival

Where did you get the information about "Fire Nation Festival?" - Ben

[edit] Fire Nation - Steampunk society?

Avatar seems to take place in a "medival-era" time, and the Fire Nation employs industrial, steam-based technology. They still weild archaic weapons like swords and spears, but also use modern weapons like their metal ships and especially their steam-powered tank. I think that makes them a steampunk society or at least influenced by it.

This is speculation as Avatar is based on its own world and the fact that we don't know exactly how their other engines run. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 01:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] modern influences?

although the traditional cultural influences seem to be chinese, wouldn't you say that the "modern" aspects of the fire-nation parallel imperial japan (ie, up to the end of WW2)? for example, the very "victorian" burnsides of many of the generals was a grooming style that i think many japanese military leaders tried to sport and emulate during the meiji and taisho periods.

Hello, fellow anonymous user! I think your analysis is excellent and worth including if you can be reasonably sure of your opinion. (I confess ignorance) The individual cultures of the Four Nation's pull from multiple sources. I also caught a dash of Indian (the word "Agni") and Korean (the names Jeong Jeong and I think, Chey)--172.139.14.42 04:58, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Influences on the Fire Navy

I've been looking around and I discovered that the most fire nation ships seemed to be based on the design (or have a strong resemblance) of Panokseons. They were Korean warships used in Joseon Dynasty during the late 16th century. Their weaponry looks like it came from Chinese Trebuchets (see Battle of Lake Poyang ), a type of catapult. They were originally used as siege weapons and the fire nation seems to use them for that purpose as well as (forgive the term) anti-aircraft fire. I'm checking to see if it is ok for me to add the information relating to the Panokseons to the Fire Navy section.

Finally, (speculation) the Fire Navy seems to have various classes of warships. While the design seems the same, the larger ones sport two or more Trebuchets. It might be possible that the Fire Navy has a classification system similar to the British during the sailing age (ships of the line, frigates, sloops of war, ect.) This I don't have any information to back this up, but I thought it was worth discussion. DoSho 23:08, 19 July 2006

[edit] Cult of Personality?

I think that's a fairly bold statement on the basis of one puppet show seen in only one episode. Seems to me it's not an indoctrination technique in and of itself. Eban 23:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Agree, especially as we never see his face. I would need more that one reference to call it a cult of personality. The only one I can think of is Azula renaming Omashu to New Ozai, but that doesn't fit the idea in my opinion. H2P 07:07, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Germeny?

Ok, I know Germeny was involved in WW@ but when it came down to it, the allience ofGermeny and Japan was really just a non-agrresion pact as they really didn't have much to do with eachother during WW2. The fire nation has amost no similarties to Germeny, mostly in the Halocost and USSR rivelry. The Japanese commited mass genocide twords the Koreans and Chinese. The conquest of a larger nation is msot denitly that of China. I changed the article to reflect this, as it seems someone not well-versed in WW2 wrote the intial statements.

Just because your spelling annoys me. Germany, WW2, alliance, aggression, almost, similarities, Holocaust, rivalry, committed, towards, most, definately, initial. I apologize if English is your second language. If it is not, then you have absolutely no excuse for not checking your spelling.
As for the WW2 reference the Fire Nation has more in common with World War II Japan than they do Germany. Especially if the Earth Nation is a stand in for Korea and China. -- Basique 11:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
There are some references to both Germany and Japan. The Airbenders represent the Jews and genecide, Japan and China are similar to the Fire and Earth countries in terms of size comparison and various culture and architecture influences. Also, Zhao once refered to Fire as "the superior element", like Hitler and believed German superiority. The Fire Nation was successful in genecide and will dominate the world if Aang doesn't do something, so in a way, they are worse than Germany.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.113.196.208 (talk • contribs).
I'd say there are only similarities in broad strokes, though. Hitler was hardly the first (or last) person in world history to think his race/nation/culture/etc was superior to and should rule all others.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] World War II analogies

I'm curious as to whether or not the writers ever made any references to the Fire Nation's war being modeled on World War II, as there is a lot of "it may be possible" statements being made in that section of the article. Despite the potential analogies, if there isn't any references about this then I see the section as conjecture. Prototime 05:30, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

With no further discussion or citations added within a week, I've removed this section. Prototime 05:54, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Aww, some of that was really interesting, considering the fact that the Earth Kingdom does look like Asia. I agree though that speculation should be kept to a minimum on wiki H2P 05:59, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] So Happy

I'm so happy someone finally got rid of the analogies. No offense, but there may be some analogies but do we need a section on it.

I'm not. If people really think it mucks up the article, a memeber should jsut make a seperate one.

There doesn't need to be a separate article on it because it is pointless.

I think the firenation was mmodeled on japan and earth china and airbender korea beacause they first conquered airbender then they tried to conquerer earth nation sort of like how the japenese attcked and conquered korea then china. Just my opinion.

The fire nation could be based on PRC because air represents tibet already conquereed and genocided.And the earth be taiwan about to get conquered already losing china. and aloso has many chinese customs

There IS no specific culture for each Nation. They're all modeled off a medley of different cultures. Some features may be more prominent than others, but the basic idea is that none of them are from Earth, therefore none of them are entirely (Or even mostly) based off of any actual place or people. It's a CARTOON! It's called FICTION! As in NOT REAL! As in not "Put real cultures in different settings and give them magic powers." Look, what I mean to say is that you can't relate these people to a single culture because of the way they act or dress, because in that same category there will always be at least one other culture that it relates to in that respect. Get the picture?

While your message is true, that we can't prove what cultures the nations and cities are based on, your way of saying it makes it false. When the show has been so researched that the martial arts are all based off actual moves and they have hired calligraphers to make sure the show looks authentic, it would be idiotic to think that there aren't some references to actual cultures buried in the way the nations and cities act in the show. H2P 05:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Drill

Why was it deleted; all was taken directly from a review on Secret of the Fire Nation. Its all official. (11987 08:19, 25 August 2006 (UTC))

Anything about a future episode will need to come from a cited and reliable source for purposes of verification. We can't just take your word for it.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 15:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, we can wait...but ill post the URL to the review...http://www.animationinsider.net/article.php?articleID=1126&document=1| (11987 15:20, 25 August 2006 (UTC))

Humm...to be honest, I'm not sure if that meets the source requierments or not, I'd have to check into it more. It may well be enough.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 15:22, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

ok, whatever you decide; just trying to help! (11987 15:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Unnecessary Links...

Do we really need "islands" and other common English words to be linked? It would help if someone took em out, and it would help more if someone stopped putting them in. Abby724 01:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fire Nation Military Rankings

I've recently been watching Book 1 again, and I've noticed various minor discrepencies between the ranking system in use by the Fire Nation and real ranks (Which I assume are the inspiration for the Avatar rankings). Zhao, ultimately an Admiral, was previously a Captain and then promoted to Commander, whereas most real-life militaries have the rank of Captain above that of a Commander. Also, if the Captain/Commander ranks have simply been switched, a Commander should be of equal rank to a Colonel, since the Captain/Colonel ranks are relatively comparable in modern day militaries, but Zhao was clearly the subordinate when addressing Colonel Shinu in The Blue Spirit. These are only minor discrepencies, true, and even people of equal rank have one person as a superior officer (So it makes sense that Shinu outranks Zhao), but I think it shows that the Fire Nation military isn't exactly like any one real life military.

I'm wondering if there has ever been a comprehensive list of Fire Nation military rankings released, perhaps detailing the seperate military divisions, or something mentioned by the creators explaining the hierarchy. I'm not going to put my little comparison into the article, since it's really just my opinion, but I feel that it warrants some sort of comment or explanation in the article if we can find some sort of source. JBK405 20:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

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