Talk:Finding Forrester

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1 question
2 Plagiarism and more
3 Location
4 Removed PTKFGS
5 YTMND Blurb?

[edit] question

i am curious on really what kind of violation did Jamal violate? i understand the significance of originality and plegurism(plagiarism)... but is it actually copying the first paragraph and the title THAT severe?

also on the account of 'his inspriation' does the professor meant he copied? or does he really mean the inspiration? thank you :D 70.70.209.80

==Question: What is the plagiarism?== witch is a good thing

Plagiarism is a very serious offense, especially when it involves someone of 'William Forrester's' stature. In a prestigious private high school with considerably high standards and repuation, plagiarism constitutes an offense punishable by expulsion, which is what is implied when jamal returns to the school, claire says 'i'm surprised your here' and jamal replies 'it's still my school.' that was why everyone was looking at him, including 'robert crawford'. (this is an explanation for those who don't know what plagiarism constitutes.

Plagiarism does however, include any form of using someone elses original material without consent, including the title. Although it is clear to us tha 'Jamal Wallace' had forrester's consent, nobody knew or would even think it possible for jamal to have such verbal concent because it would require that Jamal actually know where to reach Forrester and furthermore had a personal relationship (this expectation is because Forrester fell of the public map and nobody had heard from him following the aftermath of his 1st book's release.) So if Jamal took so much as the originality of even half of Forrester's ideas without physically copying the words, it would still constitute as plagiarism because it implies that Jamal is taking those ideas as his own, (which is what he does in a symbolic sense as he learns from forrester's 'A season of faith's perfection.') 'on the count of jamal's inspiration,' the professor meant that Jamal was stealing ideas from other writings. Of course this is somewhat absurd because it would be hard for Jamal to actually take a piece of writing at his own caliber which was published by someone else and be able to pass it off as his own without Crawford clearly knowing who that author was. As seen by Crawford's statement regarding jamal's 'plagiarism' "[his writing resembles] smacks of something. But I don't know [what]," Crawford wants to beleive that Jamal copied his writing or stole from someone else but the fact of the matter is that Crawford should be able to recognize the writer Jamal 'plagiarzed' from, but because Jamal has evolved as a writer and has matured as true writer himself, Crawford is not able recognize the writing as someone elses. So in fact, Crawford does mean that Jamal 'copied' his inspiration but by the time that inspiration got onto the paper it no longer belonged to Forrester. We could assume that Jamal hadn't really taken any full impressions from Forrester's version of 'A season of faith's perfection' but instead really did write his own paper while the title was borrowed. Of course since we never see this explicitly we can only assume that he either used the first paragraph or title or didn't, which ultimately does not affect the portrayal that Jamal had plagiarized from 'A Season of Faith's Perfection.'

So yes, Jamal's use of the title regardless of content was, (according to crawford) an egregious act of plagiarism and yes Crawfprd did mean that Jamal copied both the inspiration and the title.

[edit] Plagiarism and more

I sort of missed the part where Crawford mentioned about the 'similiarity' of the two pieces. I guess my question (above) also includes what if the fact that Jamal DIDN'T know William Forrester or had read his works and just happened to HAVE the same title. Would that still be considered as plagiarism? I mean, there are just so many same-named media out there, what's to say what is copied or not. I do know that sometimes in English writing, when one thinks of an (or they thought to be) original, but then to found out it's done, they have to cite the source. What's the boundry on that?

thx again~~

[edit] Location

I am uncertain as to whether the movie was filmed in Brooklyn, but parts of it were filmed in the Bronx around 156 Street and Park Avenue. The montage scenes were fimed in various locations, most of which are in that vicinity. On a side note, the outside basketball court is actually a parking lot. There was once a mural of Bruce Lee, which is blocked from view in the film. The mural has since been removed.

[edit] Removed PTKFGS

The website is rather unstable, and is a spinoff of YTMND.

Well, the YTMND wiki says the PTKFGS site is looking for a new host, or at least wait until the current hosting gets better. - NES Boy 20:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)