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[edit] Gunblade Revisited

The discussion above concludes that the weapon should not be described as a gunblade. Soccerguy1039 keeps changing it from the uncontroversial: "The new weapon featured in the trailer has not been named yet but it is a combination of a sword and a fire-arm." To the version the Talk Page has decided against: "The gunblade featured in the trailer."

This is clearly unnacceptable. If he objected to the descision he should discuss it on the talk page. Deliberatly adding innacurate information counts as vandalism. Locking the page will not work since he has been making the same change for months and will likely not give up that easily. What alternatives are there? I have already posted on his talk page asking him not to change it without justification but could we maybe ban him temporarily to prove that this is not going to be tollerated?Simondrake 23:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

There's been some disagreement over the words "has not been named yet". I'm not sure this is all that important- if it doesn't have a name, and we're not inventing our own name for it, this implies that it has no name. Whether or not we explicitly say so seems like a pretty minor point. Friday (talk) 17:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Yea that should just be left out of it, putting in the "has not been named" is pretty redundant since there isn't already a name in it.-- Soccerguy1039 2:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow that's even worse, it should just be left how it was, that's just getting to long and repetitive.--67.174.128.249 8:04, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the caption by the above poster is perfect. It doesn't over complicate it and explains clearly what the weapon is. Kitmitsu 01:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Yea but the only thing wrong with it is that he put the "has not been named yet" which is redundant if there isn't a name in it, which implies that there is no name for the weapon.--67.174.128.249 3:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I meant I think what you wrote is fine :P Kitmitsu 01:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind then.--67.174.128.249 8:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

You guys don't know what you're talking about, it's a gun and a blade at the same time, so it's even more of a gunblade than the ones from FF8, so it should be called such until a different name has been made. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Emokid200618 (talk • contribs).

Its outrageous to name it a "gunblade" when you have no solid evidence that it is in fact a gunblade. The fact is that it is a combination of a sword and firearm, this does not however mean that it is a gunblade, the term gunblade refers to something very specific within this context, and by calling it a gunblade it may serve to confuse those who (reasonably) instantly associate the term gunblade with the weapon from FFVIII. To conclude, the term "gunblade" is inappropriate as it causes needless confusion. Plebmonk

What are you talking about? Calling it a gunblade is less confusing than what you've been putting. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Emokid200618 (talk • contribs).
It is NOT a gunblade as seen in FFVIII, so it shouldnt be labelled as such...simple enough? I would also like to remind you that you have reverted this article 4 times now, perhaps you should read Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. Plebmonk
I warned Emokid200618 about the three revert rule. After being notified, he chose to continue and has been reported to the administrators. AuburnPilottalk 01:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
good job, was just about to do the same myself. That was getting slightly annoying...Plebmonk

What's the three revert rule?

[edit] Gunblade Wording

Because of the revert wars and what not revolving around the wording of the gunblade, I bring up the question: What should the wording for the gunblade caption be? I lean towards "The new weapon featured in the trailer appears to be a combination of a sword and a firearm," though others have suggested other wordings? I'm not going to take part in reverts until a decision is made. Anyone have a different idea? EvilReborn 22:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it should just be "The new weapon is a combination of a sword and a firearm." The appears to be isn't needed since we can tell from the trailer that it is a combination of a sword and a firearm since it was shown being wielded as both.
How about a new approach; "The new weapon in the trailer functions as a sword and a firearm." That seems best since it refers to what it does not what it is. We know what it does since we've just seen it in the trailer.Simondrake 15:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you, Simondrake. That sounds like the best of the bunch. EvilReborn 16:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Yea that does sound like a good one, either way works fine.--User:Soccerguy1039

Simondrakes wording sounds perfect. Though it also sounded perfect to me as it was, I dont see the need for this ultra-specific wording, though if we are going down that path, then Simondrakes idea works fine for me. Plebmonk

Or maybe we could just call it a gunblade since that's what it is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Emokid200618 (talk • contribs) 04:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that it should be left how it is right now, there's nothing wrong with it and there's no new information on the weapon so there's no reason to change it--67.174.128.249 5:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] World

I've read many different analysis' of the FFXIII trailer and I know they vary quite a bit because of the poor English voice over but some of the facts in the article I haven't seen mentioned anywhere else. It's probably true but I've not seen it mentioned that Cocoon is government controlled and the whole part about people being "cast out into the world below" I've not seen anywhere before. Can anyone get references for this section? because we need them unless its actually an account of a person who saw the trailer personally. Kitmitsu 19:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PS3 Exclusivity?

Does anyone know if this is for certain a PS3 exclusive? If so this should probably have a section on here as SE making this a PS3 exclusive seems to go against their current trends. -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  16:26, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it has been confirmed as a PS3 exclusive. However, I see no point in making an entire section on its exclusivity. And I don't know what trends you're referring to, but Square-Enix has a strong history of its games being exclusive for one console. EvilReborn 17:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I think that he means that by trends how they've recently been making older games for Gameboy and Nintendo DS Evil, but it would be a waste of space to make a section on it.--67.174.128.249
I'm referring to the fact that lately SE has put just about everything but FFXII on other systems. Including releasing FFXI on the xbox. I think a small section on why the exclusivity continues for the main franchise would be warrented. -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  00:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Nobody cares enough that it's going to be a PS3 exclusive game for an extra section to be added to the article except you.--User:Soccerguy1039
Actually, a very large amount of PS3 fans will find the exclusivity of this game very interesting. However, I do agree that it does not need it's own section (not because of importance or interest, but because of lack of content to go in the section). It should be stated somewhere in the article, because it is an important fact (if we can find a reference to support it). Andrew 16:57, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I doubt it.--User:Soccerguy1039

most likely that it is exclusive mainly because Squares still own Sony one for the movie disaster bait out :P an FF to payback an FF. besides the game is so closely modelled for PS3 that porting might proof uneconomical at this stage of development. SE has other things to sell, maybe putting all the egg on the FF basket is a bad idea, having a few IP to depend on help spread risk. Akinkhoo 14:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

It's mostlikely a PS3 exclusive, considering that the White Engine uses up a lot of the PS3's processing power.

I notice that the exlusive thing is still up. I will take it down because of the lack of reputable sources. Saying that it is "under discussion" does not in anyway suggest 360 or anything, and is not encyclopedic in any way. This, along with the other points made.thomfilm

[edit] External Links

Lots of links have been added lately and I looked at each of them. Of the three (http://www.finalfantasyforums.net/final-fantasy-xiii.html , http://www.ff-xiii.net/ and http://www.squarehaven.com/games/ps3/ff13/) only www.ff-xiii.net looked like a well-maintained, up-to-date and informative website. The SquareHaven one was very short with little to no info and the forums one was just that—a forum. If people want to visit a FFXIII forum, they can do a Google search. That's my view on things so I removed the two I felt didn't belong. If anyone has a different idea, I'm open to it. EvilReborn 18:45, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

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So whats the status on this?

[edit] Tone

This article is written in too much of a speculative tone. We have to make definitive statements, because Wikipedia is neither a crystal ball, nor a place for original analysis. Blueaster 04:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about? The way it's written now is fine-User:Soccerguy1039

[edit] Comment by Nobody14; moved from article page

As said from above, it does not say any official news of being moved to the Xbox 360. So until someone has a source and/or reference of about such a thing, please stop posting in Video Game sites (IGN, Gamespot, etc) if it will ported to the Xbox 360 and/or complain of such things for there is something much more important topics to discuss. --User:Nobody14

There was no word on XIII being on 360 to begin with. This just is mere rumors coming from fans who don't have PS3 -- but rather have a 360. Even Square Enix made no mention of FFXIII being on 360.Zeta26

[edit] Demo

Apparently a demo is due by the end of this year.[1] --Zeno McDohl (talk) 19:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC) Actually, one is due by E3 '07 from what I understand. --EvilReborn 20:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] White Engine

Does anyone know enough about this gaming engine to create a separate article? It sounds deserving of one, but I don't know if it is possible right now. Secunda1 00:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

It was it's own article for a while but then a banner appeared at the top of it saying it should be merged with FInal Fantasy XIII and then a few weeks later here it is. I think it should have it's own article but not yet, right now it'd be so sparse that it would just get merged back again. I think it's best to leave it where it is for now, maybe in a few nonths when more information comes out then it can be split again. Simondrake 10:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

if the engine is only going to be used by FF13 series, it is kinda unnecessary to standalone, so either it get a non FF13 game build on it or enough info about it is available to write a long article, i think it is best to stay comfy here.Akinkhoo 14:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it will be used for only FFXII... that wouldn't make sense to spend money on a huge engine like that then only use it once... but if there isn't enough information then it can't be helped.Secunda1 19:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

White Engine is no longer being used and has been replaced by UE3. I did some updates on the page. Sorry there are so many, some stuff didn't initially catch my eye. User918 23:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

That's just not true... That article said NOTHIGN about FF13 using UR3 engine, just that future projects would. This has been known for a while. FF13 will still use a proprietary engine. WhateverTS 09:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I know. It was incorrectly reported in an interview and has since been identified as an error by the editor.User918 17:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I wish I could source "my own personal knowledge", but I know that would never fly. The White Engine sits on top of UE3. I'm not even sure if that information has escaped the hallowed halls of Square-Enix. It's a platform-agnostic engine from the ground up. I believe Sakaguchi (who was employed at Square-Enix at the time work on the engine began) confirmed this in a recent interview. Sourced at the very bottom of this page, in fact. Dariakus

[edit] Unreal Engine 3

FFXIII is not using the White Engine anymore. (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2007/1063.html).

If anyone gets more info as to how the PS3 hardware is taking advantage of the Unreal Engine 3 middleware, feel free to suggest and update. Also, if anyone has decent knowledge of how UE3 will help FFXIII graphically, maybe it would be a good idea to give a brief overview of what it can do? When the article talks about White Engine, it has a short overview of what it's capable of. I realize this middleware and the benefits it will bring is less specific at the moment, but I'm thinking we should go into some kind of detail about the engine, generally speaking, just so we have more information other than the fact that Square-Enix is using it. What do you guys think? User918 00:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

They are not changing to the Unreal Engine. The original interview from here: http://arena.nikkeibp.co.jp/tokushu/gen/20070207/120802/index5.shtml contained a mistake which was corrected today by the editor and now all reference to FFXIII (except the screenshot) has been removed. It's true that Square-Enix will use the Unreal Engine for future games but not for FFXIII. Kitmitsu 01:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I assume you can read Japanese? User918 12:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

No but Google translation is good enough. This is the message edited into the page translated: "(Editorial staff note: Because there was the expression which is not unable to cause misunderstanding to Bunchu, part we corrected contents. The apology is said to everyone of the people and the reader of the authorized personnel)". Now the interview has no mention of FFXIII being involved with the Unreal Engine. It was all just a mistake. Kitmitsu 12:43, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll revert back. User918 13:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Real Time Battle?

It's not real time... The link presented in the references said "real time gameplay" not "realtime battle" It's the same as the "seamless transition" they did for Final Fantasy 8, so that's nothing new. That's two misread articles. WhateverTS 09:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Breaking news: PS3 is more powerful than PS2

The game was originally planned for the PlayStation 2 but was later moved to the PlayStation 3 after the development team discovered the power of the platform.

What a discovery! Call this a hunch, but I think that the PlayStation 4 will be even more powerful! -- Ianiceboy 03:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that they mean that the PS3 has a lot.. a lot more power than what they were expecting it to have, you know like 35 times more power, so is not just that the PS3 is more powerful than the PS2, even the Wii is more powerfull than the GameCube but the difference is not the same 196.3.88.166 16:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] xbox 360 talk

I think it should be mentioned that the guy who said ff13 should come to the 360 works for a rival company now and his own 360 rpg bombed in japan with 120k sales... or the comment should just be removed altogether. The way it's presented, it only says he's the creator which makes it seem like he still works there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.99.144.224 (talk) 15:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Xbox 360 version will be announced shortly

It has been confirmed that Final Fantasy 13 is not exclusive to the Playstation 3 as previously suggested. We know Microsoft and Square-Enix have a closer business relationship than ever before, since Microsoft is publishing the Square-Enix designed gamed called Project Silpheed for the Xbox 360. We also know Square-Enix is holding a 20th anniversary party for the Final Fantasy franchise in May of 2007, and we know that Microsoft is invited to this celebration. Do you think this is reason enough to list Final Fantasy 13 for the Xbox 360 now, or do you think we need to wait until the announcement in May arrives? Mike mgoblue 06:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

No person in the whole world has confirmed or even officially mentioned a move to 360. Sakaguchi said he would like it on 360 but he doesn't even work for Square anymore and the Sony France President said it was "under discussion" which most likely means they're discussing keeping it as a PS3 exclusive. Kitmitsu 19:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


Maybe you can put this instead. Sony: FFXIII PS3 exclusivity under discussion Berserkerz Crit 04:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The blonde "Mr. 33cm"??

It's in the character section. is that true to be his name? I'm pretty sure it's what some fans only call him as I've seen from a FF13 fansite. WizzieBlue 07:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

It's just a name we've given him until we get his real name from Square Kitmitsu 19:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I see. But why does it say Tetsuya Nomura? I'll change it first. WizzieBlue 05:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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