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Archives Archive 1 (May 2004 — October 2006) Contents 1 Congratulations 2 Advance bugs 3 Story/Plot work 4 Transwiki aspect of cleanup campaign: FFIV location list 5 final fantasy ii question 6 Release date

[edit] Congratulations

Our combined effort has paid off. I still feel guilty about not having enough print sources, so we all need to remain on the lookout for that stuff. It's the same with Chrono Cross to a degree; that article will be significantly improved once the Compendium translator finishes Missing Piece and Ultimania. But hurrah! Final Fantasy IV has been venerated. --Zeality 17:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats, everyone. Nice job! On another note, does anyone know of any projects going on that are translating other Ultimania books? They would be really helpful for some other pages. Namely, some of the Kingdom Hearts Ultimanias (of which SE has managed to make 5, despite only having three games). Axem Titanium 21:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I only wish FFIV and FFVI had Ultimanias. Square needs to get off their lazy duff and write Ultimanias for their classics. Sir Crazyswordsman 01:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Advance bugs

Bugs removed from the European version? Didn't notice. --87.248.29.33 16:24, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Have they been removed? We have no source for that statement so if they haven't been corrected, we can remove that ugly cite needed tag. I don't have the European version though, so I can't check. Axem Titanium 00:00, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

That was removed during the FA nomination because we couldn't find a cite and even a hint of information to verify, and the same guy has been coming back and readding it several times. --Zeality 00:06, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I have the European version, and have been reading about bugs such as a double-turn glitch, a save-file deletion glitch, and buttons not responding, but have never experienced any of them. I cannot say that they are not there, as I do not know their frequency in the other versions, but I haven't experienced them. I haven't got to the Lunar Ruins though, and so don't know whether the Nirvana glitch is there. Akata 16:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Story/Plot work

I recognize the value of a short version of the plot, but the current version contains some pretty important gaffes. Here are just a few examples: 1. The narrative acknowledges the battle with the Mist Dragon, but omits it at the proper chronological point; only after the fact are we told Cecil/Kain fought the thing. 2. Damcyan is "to the north," times two. 3. Characters serendipitously meet with no explanation (Yang and FuSoYa come to mind) 4. There is zero context given to what would compel the party to suspect Agart as a portal to the Underground. I attempted to fix some of these shortcomings in some edits to the plot, but had them reverted. I agree that unnecessary detail is a bad thing, but that doesn't mean this version to the plot is carved in stone and it is my sense that I did not add considerable additional detail and did improve the coherence of the text. 65.42.16.135 16:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps I was being hasty when I reverted last time. I welcome you to make additions for clarity. Axem Titanium 16:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I made the changes I had in mind. The details I am most uncomfortable with are those surrounding the addition of Dr. Lugae; on the one hand, I feel like we can live without that portion, although at least with this draft it seemed to me the only adequate way to explain Yang's departure from the party. It is overbroad to say the tower "crumbles," especially when they return there (to the overworld portion) in the very next plot segment and then go to another portion of the tower in the Underworld after that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.42.16.135 (talk) 17:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

• I'm a little concerned here. First, plot summaries should be kept brief, listing only the most important aspects necessary to gain an understanding of the plot line. Excessive plot synopses (and solely in-universe articles) are starting to be considered a violation of fair-use (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction)). I've always been concerned with the length of this article's synopsis (it should be trimmed by almost half), but we'll wait and see what happens with that dicussion. — Deckiller 03:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I should note, my edits were only made within the context of a plot summary that is at the current level of detail; I think the changes are consistent with that. They should not necessarily be read as an endorsement or committment to that level of detail, but I didn't care to make the hard choices to trim it. I was content to let someone else trim it to a particular level of detail and then offer my own editorial suggestions on how to refine that.65.42.16.135 05:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Transwiki aspect of cleanup campaign: FFIV location list

The next location list on queue is this topic's location list. Key locations are already developed on this page, so the subarticle is unnecessary (not to mention the inability to attribute to out of universe sources). The location list is excellent, though, and will be transwikied in full to the Final Fantasy wikia where it is more suitable. — Deckiller 19:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] final fantasy ii question

i remember playing "final fantasy ii" on the snes and distinctly remember tellah's "recall" ability, yet the text says that this was removed. am i mistaken? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.235.60.58 (talk) 16:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

I don't recall having Tellah's Recall ability removed, either. It might've been taken out in the Japanese release for the SNES and put back in for the English release. Abby724 21:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Release date

The article has the release date for the game on the SNES in Japan as July 19, 1991 (and so does http://www.ffcompendium.com/h/release.shtml and http://www.mobygames.com/game/final-fantasy-ii_/release-info). At Wikipedia:WikiProject Final Fantasy/Release dates and http://www.thefinalfantasy.com/games/release-dates.html it is April 19, 1991. At http://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff4/ff4.html it's March 1991. With all these different release dates how are we supposed to know the truth? What source is the most reliable? --WikiSlasher 10:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)