User talk:Filiocht/Archive four

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Contents 1 Proofreading blarney 2 JV 3 Cantos TOC 4 Au revoir (as we say in London) 5 Of a piece 6 Understatement 7 Help contribute to Wikipedia:Consensus 8 The Irish 9 The vote on The Cantos... 10 MoS 11 Wars and battles 12 Village pump discussion on women 13 Thanks 14 The Shanties 15 Style guide and nationalism 16 Les chansons 17 Equines 18 Mountfort 19 April 1 20 The Country Wife 21 The Cantos 22 Poetry analysis 23 Smirk

[edit] Proofreading blarney

Ahhhh, there's that authentic note of false modesty again, always good to hear. Did you check out my edit to Blarney? Bishonen | Talk 11:42, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] JV

Thanks - busy reverting vandalism, trouble is its such a long bloody article it takes for ever downloading and reverting. Have to leave the office now for a couple of hours so it will be interesting to see what's there when I come back. Bish is away for the day too. Nice to see it there though - thanks Giano 09:24, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

PS: Shit! see you were doing it for me, and now I've reverted you too and someone else, while I was leaving above message, I had Wiki open in two applications - Sorry!

Thanks, I'm off in about five minutes, meantime if you'r borred take a look here [1]. I suppose it would be boastful to point out the day, the prat insults my contributions is the same day I have work on the front page. Some consolation there I suppose. Happy days. Back about 1 09:38, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Fantastic luck, meeting was cancelled just as I was getting in the taxi! Giano 10:01, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cantos TOC

The cantos TOC doesn't appear. I don't know why.Dinopup 13:55, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Au revoir (as we say in London)

Off home! Is there a vast time difference between London and Ireland? it only 3 O'clock here Giano 15:08, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Just get a job in London, work all the time, and traffic stays constant. Just off to see what below is all about! Giano 13:02, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Of a piece

I knooow (channelling Mrs Fawlty). And I really like "in that", also, I was almost sadder about that. Still, what are you complaining about, I didn't add the integral theme of bathroom fittings, did I? Bishonen | Talk 11:41, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Comprehensibility is our watchword! Of course, I know that we want to be intelligible to a broad audience here, so I understand our need to simplify. Equally, I feel that a little bit of the language shrivels each time we stay within the popular core. Still: Imagine the thousands of enquiries that would have flowed if the article was featured whilst including such 'obscure' language! --Theo (Talk) 12:07, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

From the fittings to the sink is pure poetry. :-D You're the master, Fil, I bow down. (Hi Theo, for the obscure plumbing references, and if you're into unshrivelled language, compare this page.) Bishonen | Talk 12:36, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You, User:Filiocht, may "suspect most people reading up such an arcane subject will be fairly literate". I certainly hope so! Perhaps we should write How to read The Cantos (interlude for wild laughter but not as long an interlude as that needed to read and fully appreciate the EPTH article and its revision history). And just what does one call an interlude in an interlude? Work? Ah, yes, I must get back to that. --Theo (Talk) 13:37, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Aha, but I said nobody who'd read it would have the effontery to suggest splitting it. Everyking hadn't. (Just spoke with him on IRC.) Bishonen | Talk 14:28, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Would "the modernist novel as handled by James Joyce"" be clearer in the Structure section? --Theo (Talk) 15:42, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Neat edit. I ilke it. --Theo (Talk) 16:32, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Another thought that I hesitate to moot in VFA: Would it enhance the flow of the article if the analysis of the contents was abstracted into a linked article and replaced by an overview of the contents? I quiver, however, at the thought of the effort involved in such a prècis. --Theo (Talk) 23:49, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Understatement

Somebody once asked me if I had ever kissed the Blarney stone, I've never been to Ireland, which means it must be all true - incidentally false modesty is a sin - and if you don't take your eyes off that watchlist, you too may well end up in starving in the proverbial garret like most other poets. As it's 2 o'clock I have finished my plastic sandwich and am going to turn Wikipedia off for an hour or two, before I end up in the garret with you! Giano 14:04, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ah! but this one's legally qualified, think of the sins I could argue you absolution for. Now I am turning this off - Finally! Giano 14:14, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Help contribute to Wikipedia:Consensus

Thanks for your comments at the pump about consensus decision making. I've noticed that some people have already been working on Wikipedia:Consensus. I think the page needs to be expanded and then linked all over. I hope you can contribute. --Samuel Wantman 04:33, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Irish

Hi Filiocht, do you know how to create a category? Because I want to create Category:Irish architects for Edward Lovett Pearce. Secondly do you think I could put Richard Cassels and James Gandon in it as well, though they weren't Irish like Rodin all their major work is there, and they lved and died there. Don't want to put them in if the Irish mafioso would object though. Giano 09:12, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC) PS: Looking good for The Cantos front page tomorrow if not this afternoon. Restores one's faith in human nature. Giano 09:25, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks we've got 4 now, which is quite a good start. Giano 10:35, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

PS:I don't like that tatty bonsai tree very much! Giano 10:36, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Vita lunga alla Repubblica Irlandese

[edit] The vote on The Cantos...

...is getting more like a ticker tape parade every day! See how people do recognize the exceptional when they see it? Quite cheering, that. Incidentally see also this happy forecast! (It's not actually going to happen, in fact it may be gone before you see it--check the History if there's nothing to see. Far from having put it there himself, Raul commented on IRC yesterday that he'd have to protect that template. ;-( ).--Bishonen | Talk 09:30, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ha ha, yeah, right. Colley Cibber doesn't represent a lot of research, compared to John Vanbrugh. As for me being forgiven by Raul over April 1, there's nothing to forgive, I didn't do nothing and Raul knows it, stalk me to Giano's page and see who did. Bishonen | Talk 16:26, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Refactored above comment, now that you've read it. In re flowery facts: you be the judge. Bishonen | Talk 17:34, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] MoS

Filiocht, I agree with what you wrote on Talk:Manual of Style. My efforts there involve trying to halt instruction creep, but I am fighting a losing battle, it appears, because almost as a matter of definition, editors who are regularly involved in editing the MoS either don't mind there being lots of rules, or actually want them. The thing I am most concerned about is that there's a move afoot to divide the world into English-style sectors, so that all articles on topics related to a certain country must be written in the English used in that country. The phrase "topics related to" is being loosely interpreted by some editors to cover even individuals and where they were born, so that if writing about a British artist, we must write in British English and so on. I find this absurd to the point of being offensive, because it smacks of imperialism, Yalta, nationalism. Although I agreed with your comments, I couldn't tell whether you were saying you agreed with me, or whether you were saying I should stop trying to impose my view. In case it was the former, I could use your support. But if I misunderstood you, sorry. And if you can't be bothered either way, I don't blame you. Best, SlimVirgin 07:24, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wars and battles

Love the picture and caption on your user page (was that always there) inspires me to read The Cantos, is there not an edition of edited highlights with lots of pictures for the intellectually challenged that I could buy at Heathrow.

Thanks for the kind offer, but you have a nice clean unsullied reputation, and it would be a shame if you spoiled it by becoming embroiled in our battles. Charles Matthews saw the disclaimer I put on the man's page this morning and has advised extreme caution etc. trouble is I'm not a very cautious or nice person.

Speaking of intellectualism I see you staring again today, I actually read it too, it's quite good. I just had a quick look to see what the vandalism was - Goodness me, he's clever. The temptation to transpose that to some-one else's user page captioned "Portrait of the editor" is immense, but I will resist it - I'll have to turn the computer of and go out for an hour! Giano 12:55, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sorry was here to make a further witticism, then decided in the interests of good taste not to! Giano 14:02, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Village pump discussion on women

I see we were editing Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Women during the same period. I wanted to let you know that your 14:35 UTC edit appears to have been truncated, as it ended with:

I have

and nothing else. When I saw this immediately preceding my comments, I went back to make sure I didn't stomp on what you were saying, but this appears to be where you ended your posting, as shown in the article history. I thought you might want to fix this. — Jeff Q (talk) 15:03, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I´m FAR.Thank very much for the translation --FAR 16:22, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Shanties

Mmm. Made excellent edits to 1755 Lisbon earthquake while it was on FAC. Did you happen to catch my chitchat with him/her here? Not that that has any relevance. Well? And? Are you drawing your bow/loading up your violin case with a submachine gun/putting horseshoes into your boxing gloves? Bishonen | Talk 21:32, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Style guide and nationalism

Filiocht, thank you for putting your views on the page. Your comments helped, and Jguk and I have agreed to compromise. We're going to add a sentence saying that people who may have moved around, worked and lived in various countries etc, need not be written about in any particular style. It's not as much as I wanted, but it's better than nothing. My view is that, the more of these rules we have, the more we marginalize the style guide, because editors will just ignore it, but I seem to be in the minority on that talk page, so I'll have to be satisfied with the concession that was made. Thanks again for your help. SlimVirgin 22:00, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

I agree. In fact, if you go to Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Wereon, you'll see someone losing an adminship nomination for sticking to the MoS too rigidly. SlimVirgin 08:53, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry. Just came back to fix that and saw you had done it. I'm forever putting double brackets around external links and single ones around internal ones, though I usually spot it before pressing save. ;-) SlimVirgin 08:58, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Les chansons

Yeah, when Raul moved Les chansons to FA during the weekend, I tried to figger whether it would be appropriate to congratulate you on Foregone Conclusion of The Year but decided it wouldn't. A polyglot also, huh? How come we haven't seen a "Donde està..." (OK, my Spanish just ran out) Rhodin caption from you, then? I've been trying to raise an Old Norse translation on IRC, so far with no success beyond some good dialogue: "Bishonen, I don't think the Old Norse had toilet paper". Bishonen | Talk 10:30, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• The holder of the paper of the retreat? Fantastic. :-) Bishonen | Talk 11:14, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Equines

Not overstatement just a case of wishful thinking, brought on no doubt by last Friday's photograph! I was rather confused by the discussion were women compaining about having a category, or pleased with it. My experience is that women are in general......... No I won't go there. Congratulations on The Cantos a great acheivement for the project, did you note the person who said it was better than the official handbook or whatever its called. I rather lost his drift with his objection all beyond my limited English I'm afraid. 81.131.100.39 15:13, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've said enough. What do you know about copyright? I want to upload this [2] for my latest yawn, except it says it's copyright, as its a photo at least 107 years old do you think that can be right, and it would be safe to do so? Giano 16:24, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mountfort

Thanks for the vote; I quite liked the old fotos too, and thought they suited the article quite well: but there you are - can't please everyone. Giano 14:28, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Had you noticed you actually written a couple of sentences there, I was after some reflected glory fron The Cantos Giano 16:31, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I exerted a great deal of self control before responding to that point, personally I thought the lead was adequate (until Mav chopped it in half). This was always going to be a tough one, as hardly anyone outside of Christchurch has heard of him. The length though can stay as it is, as one was told at school: "If you have nothing useful to say, then shut up" Giano 09:40, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

See you just responded - thanks! Giano 09:42, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] April 1

Did you see this? April Fool

[edit] The Country Wife

Thanks, Fil! No tips for better accessibility, or for pepping it up? I'm my own worst reader, naturally. Bishonen | Talk 15:11, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that's all very well, but you're the guy that can write highbrow without sounding like a ventriloquist channelling the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica. I'd like to get rid of a bit of that. Bishonen | Talk 16:44, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

He he. Now imagine what I could do if I were to go kiss the blarneystone. Thanks, Fil. Bishonen | Talk 14:51, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Cantos

Hi there,

Just wanted to congratulate you one this. Even as one who is limited in his literature appreciation abilities, I can fully recognise the amount of effort that has gone into this. I've read through some of the article - although I think I am not in such a position to appreciate the commentary beyond the introduction without having had some acquaintance with the work in question.

You may be interested to take a look at the message that comes up now when you click "edit" on the page. I am responsible for the new wording of that! I hope the current wording keeps people happy - as though for many articles 32K *happens* to be an ideal size, it is a somewhat arbitrary limitation, originally there for technical reasons.

I noticed your "finest hour" link. So what is next for Filiocht?

zoney ♣ talk 11:05, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Poetry analysis

Hi Filiocht: BradGad, a new user, overwrote Poetry analysis with an excellent article of his own on the subject. He soon realised that this was a breach of protocol and reverted it out but there was some great stuff in there so I restored it to a subpage. Could you help by applying your enormous intellect to the merging of the two articles? (I copied this message to Bishonen so don't get too puffed up about the "enormous intellect" label; it is mere obsequiousness). --Theo (Talk) 12:47, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Kind of you to acknowledge the request and subsequent activity. You could help by speedy deleting Talk:Poetry analysis/Draft now that it is redundant. --Theo (Talk) 09:54, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC) PS Good morning!

[edit] Smirk

Thanks for the message. Smirk. Heh heh heh heh heh. Seen it? It's food and drink, man. I know you know the feeling. :-) Bishonen | Talk 08:44, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)