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[edit] External Link

I have made my argument on the Voltaire discussion page. Please respond.


[edit] Deleted?

No I've not deleted you (have I?) I saw on my watch list you had left a message and went to have a look, nothing there, deleted my first to Bishon (decided to ignore) and left another message. My browser is playing up, keeps telling me I have message when I have not, and the watch list's is all over the place, have cleaned the browser and logged off twice but nothing seems to work, suggest you put your message back , and I won't edit that page at all. Sorry! Giano 15:54, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the support, restricted viewing that it is. I've just seen Worldtraveller had a similar experience, be careful you don't end up along side us, I know how upset and mortified you would be!!! I intend to ignore it for as long as possible, as it makes him look even more ridiculous than usual. I shall now get back to working on my next FA, which is something some people have yet to acheive! Thanks for the try though Giano 16:15, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Yes, Giano, you did delete Fil on my page! You snake! Nemind, I done seen it. Thanks, Fil. In case you'd care to view my imputed flood of abuse on that talk page in its entirety, here it is:
31 December 04,
31 December 04,
12 January 05
That's it, that's the three times in my life I've spoken to the man. Nevermind, it's not especially interesting, but note the good part, the dates: the last time I posted there was 12 January! True fact. Not quite the, uh, impression one gets, is it? I also included, on 12 Jan, an undertaking not to be back. All for nothing, it seems.
I hate this more than I can say, actually. It stinks. :-( Bishonen | Talk 16:41, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I was for once actually on line late last night (wife away!) when the original respones to my now deleted letter was posted, he's toned it down a bit during the night. I can't be bothered to point out that I was not admitting guilt - he sees only what he want's to, but within minutes of that he was on someone elses talk page haranging them, and later in the night one of your mob was getting it. Like you say there's a problem, trouble is he wants to write on the same subjects as me. Perhaps you could suggest he takes up poetry for rest and relaxation! Giano 08:57, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Oh I rather hoped you would not read that. OK then you are a miserable Irishman who cannot string two words together - Happy? Giano 09:40, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] In Soviet Russia, your sig makes you talk

Thanks for your intervention Fil, I think it had a good effect, though with a little delay, indeed. Before the latest mediawiki upgrade, I knew to do the sig thing standing on my head, and a pretty sight it was, but all the old talk link sigs got broken in the upgrade. Then the software went all "helpful", silently supplying parts of the wikicode needed, so that logic doesn't enter into the process anymore. What you do is this: go to your "Preferences" and copypaste into the field named "Your nickname (for signatures)" this, all of it exactly as it appears here, asking no questions:
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If you're copying it from the edit field, the html "br"'s aren't part of what you want. Click save. Bishonen | Talk 09:54, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I thought you lot like us spent today kneeling on gravel in church, indulging in self flagellation! and other such diverting and amusing pastimes, sadly I have to work today (very hard as you can see) now I'm tempted to log off and cut the grass it's too nice outside to be in here. Have a nice Easter we are off on holiday on Sunday so a lot to do. Have a good Easter. Actually who needs self flagellation when one can edit here! Giano | discussioni 11:15, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Must have been so much more relaxing when you all just grew potatoes! Giano | Talk 13:14, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
That's why I've sent wife and kids to Sicily, the exercise does them good 81.131.133.200 13:20, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sic semper tyrannis

Risorgimento! --Bischånen|Tåk 06:42, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Are you sure that it was Peredur who challenged the service of the Grail? The only chalice I recall in his story is the goblet of wine that Arthur threw in Guinivere's face. Although, it must be said that if the grail was not, in fact, the first sacramental cup, and was really a magical TPH, the lack of such a reference may be immaterial. --Theo (Talk) 09:52, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Aha!! The grail as the spear; a much more likely candidate for a TPH than was a chalice. I applaud your erudition. --Theo (Talk) 10:25, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Isn't the salver a soap dish? --Theo (Talk) 12:55, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Re: Brass caption; "TBEUTROLITROTTPHIFC" is too abstruse an acronym for me. I am new to edit warring. Should I revert? --Theo (Talk) 12:55, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Forgot to say that your apology was completely unnecessary. Would like your enhancement of the acronym, however. In dire need of better L-word! --Theo (Talk) 14:52, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Who does the Grail serve?

Master! I salute you! --Bischånen|Tåk 10:14, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

(Weakly) no.... no....please... not the Treaty of Westphalia... you're killing me! --Bishonen|Talk 13:44, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ack

Thanks for the note. Looks like momentum is gaining to put ETPH on the front page on Friday. Any last minute scholarship? -- Viajero 20:01, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Astonishing! I read Jimbo's e-mail as well as other folks did, and I read it as explicitly voting in favor of putting ETPH on the main page, and yet there was a unilateral veto. If that's not bad enough, the article that will go on is Nintendo Entertainment System. If I rolled my eyes any harder, I'd strain a muscle. I've been ticked off by things on Wikipedia before, but this is the first time I've been nauseated by them. Geogre 19:40, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Déjà vue all over again

Did you get my e-mail? --Bishonen|Talk 21:37, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

ping me if you're around :) +sj + 03:20, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I was just going to ask for help keeping the main page and its templates peaceful, useful, and funny. April Fools is no fun if everything doesn't look almost completely normal... and there's a lot of silly vandalism going on. +sj + 07:18, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sure

Sure, Fil, and others are watching it just as with a regular article of the day, anyway. Sorry you're not in form, hope you feel better. I wish I was better on Imagism and good old Mare's Nest than I am. Bishonen|Talk 10:22, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi Fil: Very sorry to learn of the death oif your friend. We don't need to defend ETPH today. It will all be quiet tomorrow (I hope). --Theo (Talk) 10:35, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Have a good weekend. Do send me your e-mail address. Friends should have ways to talk privately. --Theo (Talk) 10:58, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC) PS What kind of tree?

[edit] Regular as clockwork

Filiocht, I hate to break this to you, but Willy on Wheels has moved my (mine! mine! my precccioussss!) anti-T bias poll page inte your userspace! I feel very violated, and so should you! Though perhaps it might be as well to leave it there, I dunno. As for the 18th century, yeah...right now it feels more like duty than pleasure. Maybe I'll take a bit of a break on it. Still, Giano and I have a half-formed plan that's scarcely to be spoken of yet... we shall see. How are the imagists doing? (I noticed on Viajero's page that you took on board the idea of being the King of Regulars...!) --Bishonen|Talk 10:28, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] I twigged!

None too soon! I don't usually enter wiki through the Main Page, but having The Cantos show up again and again with vandalism on my watchlist did at long last trigger the thought "Sheesh, it's like it's on the Main Page or something! Hey, wait..!" Check. Congratulations, Fil, you couldn't have crowed a little, and alerted me? It's truly wonderful to see it there, making us all proud. :-) (And I finally caught a vandal edit just now, too: I've gone to revert many times, but always annoyingly been beaten to it by 5 seconds or so.) Bishonen|Talk 17:52, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for supporting my adminship — I vow to use my super powers for good not evil. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:46, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, they comprise a mop and a bucket, but in the right hands... Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 11:42, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Images and media for deletion votes

  • I am contacting people who previously helped to vote to delete a generally objectionable photograph by a vote of 88 to 21, and who might be unaware that immediately after that image was voted to be deleted someone posted another which was very similar in content. My objections to this, and the previous image that was voted to be deleted might be based upon reasons far different from any that you have, but I do object to it, and consider the posting of such images to be acts of asinine stupidity, which burdens the project and its major educational aims in ways that they should not be burdened, and can be extremely detrimental to the acceptance and growth of WIkipedia's use and influence. Thus far those who I believe to be in the extreme minority of Wikipedians who would like to include these images, many who have been channeled to the voting page from the article with which it is associated have dominated the voting, 23 to 12 (as of the time that I composed this message). I would like to be somewhat instrumental in shedding a bit more light upon the issue, and if possible, helping to turn the tide against its inclusion. It might also be necessary to begin making an effort to establish an explicit Wikipedia policy against explicite photographic depictions of humans engaged in erotic, auto-erotic, or quasi-erotic activities. To my limited knowledge such images have not been accepted as appropriate anywhere else within this project, and frankly I can agree with those who are casually labeled prudes for opposing their inclusion, that they should not be. Vitally important information that might be unwelcome by some is one thing that should never be deleted, but un-needed images that can eventually prevent or impede many thousands or millions of people from gaining access to the great mass of truly important information that Wikipedia provides is quite another matter. There are vitally important distinctions to be made. Whatever your reasons, or final decisions upon the matter, I am appealing for more input on the voting that is occurring at Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion ~ Achilles † 21:31, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Golden Supporto handsomely arranged!

Haha. Yeah, like you've got a picci on the wiki yourself! I'm in passage from Expressive to Dignified, can't even remember Pretty, assuming I was ever there. Thank you very much for the handsome Brag Gallery, excellent idea to put it right at the top! I don't want anybody to have a chance to miss any of that lot. (Studying the gallery code to use in articles. Cool, I was thinking you'd have to mess about with HTML.) --Bishonen|Talk 17:02, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Which shows you a mere boy. Heck, on a clear day, I can see Characterful looming up ahead! Bishonen|Talk 13:30, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] David Helvarg

Hi: Please could you cast your refactoring eye over David Helvarg, the expansion of which I have just completed. I fear that it has become garbled but I have become too close to the piece to judge. --Theo (Talk) 20:45, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your helpful comments. I made the change that you suggested. It looks much better. --Theo (Talk) 23:38, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] But is it she?

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WANTED in 73 countries. Is the face of Chamomile Ciotole-Del-Parco? probably not!

Please feel free to add any information you may have on dearest cousin Chamomile! Giano | Talk 08:11, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

PS: Nice to see you back!

Thanks for the vote, lok like this one may make it! Giano | Talk 10:15, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] MUAHAHAHA

I'm the latter. I dismember pretty boys like you and keep the pieces in the freezer.

[edit] Beauty pageant

All right, this will have to be slugged out. Ladies and gentlemen, it's the Wikipedia Culture Vulture All Out Wrestling Competition and Beauty Contest! Innnn the red cornerrr: Fil "Pretty Boy" Blarneyman! Innnn the blue cornerrr: Rudolf "Wildly Handsome" Valentino! Hear ye, hear ye! --Bishonen | talk 16:30, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Regarding our friend in the immortal words of that great British statesman "Things can only get better".

Do you ever wonder what Bishonen looks like? I rather think the blond one from Abba! Giano | Talk 08:43, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)]]

Giano | Caesar 09:00, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

CREEP! Giano | Caesar 09:16, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh just the usual Giano | talk 07:51, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Assuming good faith, I have to imagine that Bish is unaware of the English slang sense of bog. On the other hand, she is expert on toilet humour. --Theo (Talk) 17:32, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

(Hmmm. I know what Bishonen looks like. Shall we open the bidding at, say, $50?) (Kidding! I'm kidding, Bishonen! I would never send out your picture for so little money!). Geogre 15:03, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The quality of English

English wurst? Not think I so. --Theo (Talk) 14:22, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Hello, Filiocht. Thanks for your vote at my adminship nomination. I appreciate the support. Cheers! — Trilobite (Talk) 14:07, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Executive agencies - your comments on Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)

Your comments were not constuctive. They were, in fact, nasty. People shouldn't take a "you want something done, do it yourself" attitude. What is the point of Template:Opentask or Wikipedia:Requested articles if everything has to be done by the people who want it done? Reply here.--212.100.250.208 15:52, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) NB, I am a user, just not logged in.

[edit] Wikipedia talk:Userspace policy proposal

Blarneyman, maybe you want to check out my alternative [anti-]policy proposal at the bottom of the Wikipedia talk:Userspace policy proposal page? I'd appreciate it if you'd add a touch of style, of course. I put it in my usual crude way. (I'm expecting the people who think I don't know what "bog" means to assume I don't understand "dick", either.) --Bishonen | talk 23:13, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Meh. Yes, I've noticed you going around flaming people with your "Nice idea"—where do you come off saying stuff like that?? I wonder if your anon above is any relation of newbie user ScreamerFR, who has already made something of a name for herself? I still have spitflecks on my face from Screamer's unfortunate reaction to my own refusal to admit that Jeb Bush is God. Checking contribs...nah, it isn't the same person. (I see some vandalism of articles from 212.100.250.208. That's interesting.) I guess there's a clutch of charmers around. :-( --Bishonen | talk 15:55, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with Ireland

You might be interested in Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 April 30. I am proposing that we rename the category Elections in the Republic of Ireland because the republic was only declared in 1949 and it leaves every election before then in a limbo. Some users want to put everything before then in there anyway, even though the name is wrong. Others suggest creating separate names for every Irish state, so you'd have Elections in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, Elections in the Irish Republic (1919-1921), Elections in Southern Ireland (1921-1922) , Elections in the Irish Free State (1922-1937), Elections in Éire (1937-1949) AAAAGH! It would be a tangled mess, with some elections belonging potentially in 3 categories. I fighting a losing battle there to try to make them see sense. (They already decided previously to delete Elections in Ireland!!!) They clearly know very little about Ireland. One individual even is convinced it is a conspiracy in some way to attack Northern Ireland on wikipedia!!! (His evidence, my username is in green and orange! I kid you not!) Some sane Irish contributions from people who know what they are talking about would be a help! FearÉIREANN 22:37, 2 May 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Returned

Bank holidays obviously last a little longer over there, or was it a summer cold? Giano | talk 08:02, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

I suppose we could always send him a Morecombe and Wise Christmas video Giano | talk 08:06, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kigo

I've recently done a bunch of changes and additions to the Kigo article, and I think that it is getting close to where I will submit it to Peer review. Since you have edited the article (although not recently), would mind you take a look at the changes and make comments (or edits) on any further changes that need to be done. (BTW: Good luck with Imagism). BlankVerse ∅ 11:27, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

re:" The Haiku page also needs a lot of work." Also the Matsuo Basho and Kobayashi Issa pages, plus there are plenty of more articles related to Japanese literature and Japanese poetry that desperately need work. I figure that I'll start small and work my way through to the bigger jobs. Next up after "finishing" the Kigo article will probably be Issa. I think I know some of what needs to be done to the Haiku article. I left some hints of that in my last comment there. BlankVerse ∅ 13:01, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

re: Your recent edit "Strictly speaking, poems that do not contain kigo cannot be considered to be haiku..." There are traditionalists in both the Japanese and English-language haiku communities that insist that anything without a kigo are absolutely not haiku (just as their are some very vocal Japanese haijin that insist that haiku can only be written Japanese), but the Japanese also have the term mukigo haiku, which means haiku without kigo. If you followed the "haiku must have kigo" rule, then much of what Taneda Santoka wrote, for example, would not be considered haiku, although he considered them haiku, and most non-hardcore traditionalists also consider them haiku. This is an issue that should probably kept out of the intro and left for the "Must haiku include a kigo?" section.

Also: A saijiki is not a "list of kigo" (a list of kigo is called a kiyose). A saijiki is a book (often very large) that is a dictionary of almanac or kigo with discussions of the kigo and example haiku. A good saijiki will have thousands of kigo in it. BlankVerse ∅ 07:18, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

In my opinion, the first sentence is misleading, and the second is incorrect (without several changes). Even the third sentence has some problems (there is no rising popularity of renga—renga barely registers on the radar except for a very few who are seriously interested in Japanese poetry). If you don't mind, I would like to remove that whole paragraph until I can think of a more accurate way of expressing what you were trying to say.
BTW: What the heck is an inline citation that mav keeps complaining about at WP:FAC. Wikipedia:What is a featured article has a single mention of inline citation that send you to Wikipedia:Cite sources where they talk about something that doesn't seem to be the same thing as mav keeps complaining about. I've looked at his template:Inote, but that didn't make any sense to me either. If he's going to continually complain about not using this special template then he's going to have to write Wikipedia:How to use template:Inote so you can get past mav's gateway at WP:FAC. BlankVerse ∅ 08:03, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

re:Early haiku translations: That is one I didn't know about. It is earlier than any of the ones that I have known about, so I wonder what the quality of the translation was like. What I find remarkable is that it is from the Meiji Restoration period. Lafcadio Hearn was 1900 for his book "Japanese Lyrics" although he had some Atlantic Monthly articles before then. Basil Hall Chamberlain's odd two-line translations were in 1902. Speaking of Ezra Pound, Faubion Bowers in his notes to "The Classic Tradition of Haiku" (Dover Publications) says that Basho's famous raven haiku was the one that most influenced both Pound and Wallace Stevens' "13 Ways of Looking at a Blackbird". BlankVerse ∅ 08:41, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

The Dicken's work is a translation of the classic waka anthology "Hyakunin Isshu" (often translated as 100 poems by 100 poets). You too can own a copy for $US 500 [1]. This page [2] says that it was probably William George Aston, Basil Hall Chamberlain, and Sadakichi Hartmann's translations, plus correspondence with Yonejirô Noguchi that Ezra Pound had read before he wrote his "Metro" poem. According to this [3], one of the influences on Pound was a poem by the pre-Basho haikai poet Arakida Moritake:
The fallen blossom
Returns to the branch; I look—
It is a butterfly.
translation Donald Keene "World Without Walls", p. 549.

Here's Yone Noguchi's translation, which I just found in my references:

I thought I saw the fallen leaves
Returning to their branches:
Alas, butterflies were they.

All the early books on haiku will talk about hokku (the opening stanza of a renga or haikai no renga), or haikai (either a standalone stanza, or haikai no renga). According to Higginson's "The Haiku Handbook" it was Masaoka Shiki who "was the first to use the word "haiku", a term originally meaning a verse of haikai-no-renga (and previously seldom used), for the independent hokku." I just checked two books on Shiki, and couple of other references, and I can't find anywhere that says when this happened, but judging from book titles, it was between 1895 and 1896. It probably took awhile for widespread adoption of the term by the Japanese, and even longer for translators to adopt. There is one of the European languages (French of Portuguese?) that still uses the term haikai for haiku. BlankVerse ∅ 10:57, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Donald Haul & Rood remarquees

Ok, I've got two sources to check when I get back near my books. One is The Shock of the New, which is not Hall, obviously, and not really about poetry at all. The other is the ancient Norton Anthology of Modern Poetry edited by Hall and Ellman. The other is that wretched book of literary anecdotes that Hall did, but I'm not opening the covers of that thing again. It would be better to have no Armory Show reference than that I read that book any. (EP was in London, but he was going back and forth some, and I still think he saw the Armory Show. Don't ask me how he did, but I think he did all the same.) Geogre 15:06, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Hunh. I was rued to the objector? I thought I was being, well, somewhat Johnsonian perhaps ("and there's an end on't!"), but not especially mean to the poor little bug. His feelings were hurt, and he saw, in the same IRC session that hurt his feelings, a link to the RfA. How easy then to come along and complain. At the same time, no one has been honestly rude to the fellow by pointing out that what got him belittled was his attempt to pass gas on the GFDL. If'n you don't like the GFDL, then Wikipedia isn't for you. And there is an end on't. Instead, though, he had to squeal like a balloon with the air escaping and attempt an incontinent gesture in the process. <sigh> What can the fellow expect? Geogre 16:06, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Charles Darwin

"one of a very few Englishmen deserving to be called great" - I say old chap! I think that's jolly unfair, what! Worldtraveller 16:23, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Juvenilia

I have been watching your various contributions and I think that you should just grow up!--Theo (Talk) 17:20, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Where next

Thanks; its great to see it there, I shall have to think of a new project to get my teeth into, hopefully with more success than my last which is about to be kicked off fac. There was some talk with Bish of a joint venture on Christopher Wren, but that's gone quiet, but now she's a celebrity, she may not have the time, probably not (even take a hint here)! Its a sod I have to be in and out of the office all day today, so can't keep an eye on poor old Frank, he's been vandalised a dozen time since he went on air already, but others seem to be pretty vigilant on his behalf. have a nice weekend. Giano | talk 08:53, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd vote for that, this one is well withinh my limited attention span. I didn't know DH Lawrence wrote poems too, were they dirty as well? You'll be amazed to know I failed my school exams in english Lit; but I have got a book of poetry by Rupert Brook.......er somewhere. Giano | talk 09:12, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
It's quite unfair to suppose I won't have time for old friends in the future just because I'm famous. You are all still most welcome to visit! Giano may present a Christopher Wren page for my perusal at any convenient time. Please, all of you, try to concentrate a little during these audiences (note deportment hint suggested by Wictionary example: "She managed to get an audience with the Pope"). Don't crash into each other and fall about, and don't stuff beans up your nose. Your well-wisher,--Bishonen | talk 03:23, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
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