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Contents 1 Salary 2 Regarding "Needs Attention" 3 Title 4 Director/Directress 5 Vandalism 6 list of famous film directors 7 I cleaned up 8 Ok, this needs major expansion 9 Request, if I may 10 Page 11 "Methods of film directing" section

[edit] Salary

How much do directors get paid? Directors get paid crap! They work up to 13 or more hours a day. If you are experienced and working for a good company you can get paid up to $500,000 a year.The average is more like $28,000 or $50,000.

[edit] Regarding "Needs Attention"

The term "Filmmaker" links to this page; however, filmmaker and film director are not all synonymous. A filmmaker makes movies; a film director directs movies. These are not necessarily -- and usually not -- the same thing. Film direction is a quite specific role in moviemaking. Moreover, the world of small independent filmmaking, where movies are made outside of a traditional industry production environment -- sans producer, director, writer, etc., even actors -- is a rich one. Look, for instance, at the work of Maya Deren. Look at the thousands of small animations and home movies created each year and submitted to festivals. The topic of filmmaker needs to be established and expanded. Here is my call for help.

[edit] Title

I've moved this twice now back to Director (film) from film director. This is because the most common usage is to say "director Steven Spielberg", not "film director Ron Howard". If there were nothing else appropriate for Director, this article would reside there primarily. -- Netoholic @ 21:28, 2005 Mar 3 (UTC)

I don't disagree, but it's not that unusual to say "Steven Spielberg is a film director, while Robert Duncan McNeill is a television director, and Harold Pinter is a theatre director" or "Albert R. Broccoli is a film producer, while Norman Lear is a television producer". Seems like they should all use a consistent format, tho' I admit I don't have a strong preference which one. Niteowlneils 21:18, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I wish you would put it back. "Film director" is in common useage, "Director (film)" is not. Your Spielberg analogy is misleading. Spielberg would only be referred to as "director Steven Spielberg" in a film context. In any other context, like an encyclopedia, he would be "film director Steven Spielberg." That's even more true for directors who are not household names. JW 12:00, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Whenever there is some doubt about the best title for a page, its often a good idea to look through the 'What links here' selection to try and figure out what name most editors are already using. The only reason Wikipedia puts articles at the most popular title is that it means most people will guess the right link when writing a new article. You really need to check the links in the original pages since someone may already have dab'ed them. For example on Gabby Goat the link is in the phrase "Clampett's first cartoon as director", so that should be a count for 'director (film)' although the link is currently dab'ed as a link to 'film director'.

In this case we are in luck, because there are already many articles which link here (or unlucky, because if you want to do a comprehensive job there's a lot of links to check ;-). After checking a dozen or so links at random, I get the sense that it is fairly evenly balanced, with quite a lot of links for 'film maker' too. -- Solipsist 13:27, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

But that's misleading because those articles are about films or film directors, so it's unnecessary to keep using the word "film". The fact that the article was originally titled Film director and has been moved back there twice should show that that is the correct title. JW 12:04, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You have a point, but I'm not particularly supporting either option, I'm just commenting that in general Wikipedia doesn't try to put articles at the most 'proper' title, but mearly the most commonly used. The purpose being that if a future editor is writing an article, they will be able to guess most of the links correctly with the minimum of disambiguating. With a reasonable list of 'what links here' entries you already have good evidence of the links people would like to use.

If it shows a 50:50 split between 'director' and 'film director', I would suggest using the tite 'film director' is the better way to go because 'director (film)' would require more disambiging. -- Solipsist 14:50, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree. No-one else has contributed to this discussion to support "Director (film)" so I have reverted it. It seems to me that Film director is the correct phrase. Before anyone tries to revert it in future to "Director (film)" or anything else, please discuss it on the talk page to gauge other opinions. JW 28 June 2005 12:55 (UTC)

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[edit] Director/Directress

A recent edit added the line

A female director is called a directress

which is fine, except that in modern usage, female directors are invariably refered to as 'director'. See for example this search vs this search, suggesting a 10,000:1 preference for using 'director'.

However, it is probably worth mentioning the decline in the use of the word 'directress'. The situation is similar to the drift from 'actress' to 'actor', but even more clear cut. -- Solipsist 07:02, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I've lived and worked in Hollywood for quite a while now, and have never heard a female director referred to as "directress." The word would likely be taken as archaic, if not sexist, by any female directors that I've ever known. That sentence should be stricken, by any measure of common sense, so I'm doing so. Drogue 02:38, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

For some reason people keep vandalizing this article. --Smell? 06:59, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Similarly (I think), what's with the quote, some directors write their own scripts, "(such as Quentin Tarantino, Hayao Miyazaki or Jason Norman)." Jason Norman? Even IMDB doesn't have a writer or director named Jason Norman. Google suggests he may be a 2005 Harvard Grad. Is this a strange typo/mis-name, or did Jason Norman, struggling film student, log in and promote himself, I'm wondering?

There is no director called Jason Norman, it's just a guy who goes around inserting himself into Wikipedia articles. It's been corrected. see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=24.205.188.180 for evidence of this.

[edit] list of famous film directors

Does Wikipedia have one? I haven't come across one yet. I'll contribute what I can to this article, but I must say it's in extremely poor shape for so rich a topic. I'm surprised. - IstvanWolf 04:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I cleaned up

I cleaned up the article and wikified it, so I'm taking off the cleanup tag. If anyone disagrees please feel free to slap the tag back on with a good explanation. Ben Tibbetts 01:43, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ok, this needs major expansion

There is so much that can be added to this article; I would venture to say this is getting mildly rediculous. I'm going off for two weeks as of tomorrow so haven't a lot of time to do it myself, but come on guys! Wikipedia can do a little better than this. Ben Tibbetts 20:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I've started by moving the union/professional association information over from Film crew. There's more I should be able to add over the next few days.OldCommentator--OldCommentator 17:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request, if I may

The article on Satyajit Ray, Bengali filmmaker, is up for a peer review. Take a look if possible. Thanks--ppm 17:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page

What are the requirements for a wikipedia page to be created for a film maker/director? Listed on IMDB?

In short: WP:Notability (WP:BIO and WP:FICT). In long: if the director has notable films, if he has received well know prize, if he has some important media coverange or if his important in film history, is also considered notable. A sign of notability is to have many links (or citation) from other wikipedia pages. A lot of time it is better to wait some time (i.e. a release of a bigger feature film) before to include new directors. Cate | _Talk 07:46, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Methods of film directing" section

The "methods of film directing" section has essentially become a place to add links to directors. I'm not sure that we need twelve examples of directors who star in their own films, or eight examples of people who collaborate on writing/directing -- the list could theoretically go on forever. I say we either limit the number of examples (two? three?) or just nix them all together. I think the last thing we want is for there to be a description (e.g. "star in their own films") followed by a list of 500 directors. As we all know, Wikipedia's not a link farm, even if it's internal links, so we shouldn't allow it to be. Rockstar915 19:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)